[paulist]

“If you think that is completely and utterly un-Scriptural we have no more to talk about.”

The point is that the Scriptures you provide do not support your ridiculous assertions about God being bound by some “rules”, or that God must respect your “sovereign’ free will. There is only one Sovereign in this universe, and it isn’t you.

John 15:16 - “You did not choose me, but I chose you......”

Romans 9:14-16 - “What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! For he says to Moses, ‘I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.’ It does not, therefore, depend on man’s desire or effort, but on God’s mercy.”

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The point is that the Scriptures you provide do not support your ridiculous assertions about God being bound by some “rules”, or that God must respect your “sovereign’ free will. There is only one Sovereign in this universe, and it isn’t you.

I agree that God is sovereign in this universe. When He placed me in this universe, He subjected me to rules. One of those rules is that I have free will. 

John 15:16 - “You did not choose me, but I chose you......”

I agree that He chose me. I used my freewill to accept that invitation using the way, or rule, He provided, His Son. 

Romans 9:14-16 - “What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! For he says to Moses, ‘I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.’ It does not, therefore, depend on man’s desire or effort, but on God’s mercy.”

This is the same principle. I know you don't like the term, rules, so we will use another terminology, a set of instructions.

God used His Son's obedience to fulfill this promise. He gave a set of instructions as to who these people will be. If you believe His Son died for your sins, He will you show mercy and compassion.

For those who don't, He will show no mercy or compassion.

He confirms this with a promise, a set of instructions for Himself.

If we believe on His Son, He will forgive our sins, raise us from the dead and give us eternal life with Him.

Do you think He has to abide by that promise?

If you say yes, you are saying He has to follow the rules He makes.

If you say no, it confirms what you have said about him being all powerful and can do what he wants.

When you get to that god's heaven, what can prevent that god from saying, "I know you did all the things I told you to do for salvation but I have changed my mind. You go to the pit"!

Nothing, because that god is not bound by any rules.

That is not the God of scripture. BVB

 

 
 

The point is that the Scriptures you provide do not support your ridiculous assertions about God being bound by some “rules”, or that God must respect your “sovereign’ free will. There is only one Sovereign in this universe, and it isn’t you.

I agree that God is sovereign in this universe. When He placed me in this universe, He subjected me to rules. One of those rules is that I have free will. 

John 15:16 - “You did not choose me, but I chose you......”

I agree that He chose me. I used my freewill to accept that invitation using the way, or rule, He provided, His Son. 

Romans 9:14-16 - “What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! For he says to Moses, ‘I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.’ It does not, therefore, depend on man’s desire or effort, but on God’s mercy.”

This is the same principle. I know you don't like the term, rules, so we will use another terminology, a set of instructions.

God used His Son's obedience to fulfill this promise. He gave a set of instructions as to who these people will be. If you believe His Son died for your sins, He will you show mercy and compassion.

For those who don't, He will show no mercy or compassion.

He confirms this with a promise, a set of instructions for Himself.

If we believe on His Son, He will forgive our sins, raise us from the dead and give us eternal life with Him.

Do you think He has to abide by that promise?

If you say yes, you are saying He has to follow the rules He makes.

If you say no, it confirms what you have said about him being all powerful and can do what he wants.

When you get to that god's heaven, what can prevent that god from saying, "I know you did all the things I told you to do for salvation but I have changed my mind. You go to the pit"!

Nothing, because that god is not bound by any rules.

That is not the God of scripture. BVB