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To: marshmallow
Selected writings of those who followed the Apostles, demonstrating clearly that the doctrine of transubstantiation was alive and well in the early Church.

That really isnt the relevant question though. Is the doctrine correct is what should concern people.

I find it inconsistent that the average RC accepts the sayings in John ... "I am the door" ... "I am the vine ..." ... etc. as drawing a clear analogy for instruction purposes; but when it comes to "this is my body, this is my blood" ... it has to be taken in a literal fashion.

Call me "separated" then ...

5 posted on 01/27/2011 10:48:31 AM PST by dartuser ("The difference between genius and stupidity is genius has limits.")
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To: dartuser
I find it inconsistent that the average RC accepts the sayings in John ... "I am the door" ... "I am the vine ..." ... etc. as drawing a clear analogy for instruction purposes; but when it comes to "this is my body, this is my blood" ... it has to be taken in a literal fashion.

It is not inconsistent in the least once you dig deep into the Scripture.

Let's take one example. Christ says "My body is true food and my blood true drink." He expounds on that metaphor with complete literalness, to the extent that people walk away from His discourse. "This saying is hard...who can listen to it?" Did anything similar happen when he said "I am the door"? "I am the way?" No it didn't.

The closest Our Lord came to saying what he said with the Eucharist was when He said "I am the true vine". HOWEVER...note that the Greek word used for "true" there differs slightly. My flesh is true (alethes) food, but I am the true (alethinos) vine. There is an important distinction in those two related Greek words. Alethes means "true, real, genuine"...true as a matter of fact, true in substance. Alethinos means "true by analogy". So Our Lord's flesh was true food in fact, while He was the true vine by analogy. Don't forget, most of these writers marshmallow quoted were reading the New Testament in Greek. They would have seen that difference straight away.

6 posted on 01/27/2011 11:22:31 AM PST by Claud
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To: dartuser
I find it inconsistent that the average RC accepts the sayings in John ... "I am the door" ... "I am the vine ..." ... etc. as drawing a clear analogy for instruction purposes; but when it comes to "this is my body, this is my blood" ... it has to be taken in a literal fashion.

You also don't see Catholics plucking out eyes or cutting off hands and feet.

8 posted on 01/27/2011 12:40:19 PM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: dartuser

the gnostics walked away also.


24 posted on 01/27/2011 7:01:14 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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