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To: marshmallow; MilicaBee; Martin Tell; Salvation; Lemondropkid31; BenKenobi

Church Fathers ping!


2 posted on 01/27/2011 10:17:19 AM PST by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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wanted to get this in, as i usually see our separated breathern continue to insist it’s a wrong reading of the Word....these church fathers, no more infallible than any other christian sitting in a pew today...had access to the original scriptures, the original teachings of the infallible church, and some even walked and talked with the apostles....and yet others 2000 plus years removed will dare say they were wrong, and didnt understand the Word...very frustrating....


3 posted on 01/27/2011 10:21:39 AM PST by raygunfan
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To: marshmallow; Jvette; Judith Anne; one Lord one faith one baptism; sayuncledave; raygunfan; Claud; ..
This is the one that seals any remaining doubt to the Mass . I also sense the Holy Spirit confirm it. Of course I speak for myself.

Irenaeus

“He took from among creation that which is bread, and gave thanks, saying, ‘This is my body.’ The cup likewise, which is from among the creation to which we belong, he confessed to be his blood. He taught the new sacrifice of the new covenant, of which Malachi, one of the twelve [minor] prophets, had signified beforehand: ‘You do not do my will, says the Lord Almighty, and I will not accept a sacrifice at your hands. For from the rising of the sun to its setting my name is glorified among the Gentiles, and in every place incense is offered to my name, and a pure sacrifice; for great is my name among the Gentiles, says the Lord Almighty’ [Mal. 1:10–11]. By these words he makes it plain that the former people will cease to make offerings to God; but that in every place sacrifice will be offered to him, and indeed, a pure one, for his name is glorified among the Gentiles” (Against Heresies 4:17:5 [A.D. 189]).

I never seen a writing from a early Father on this verse before Irenaeus. The sacrifice was only in one place in Jerusalem. Then this reads every place. Only the sacrifice of the Mass explains this old testament verse. No other explanation can make any sense of this verse. IMHO.

Also notice this is God's point of view from eternity. He is outside of time and space which comes from his creation( The cosmos). He sees the future like in the present thus this verse spoken to the prophet:

"and in every place incense is offered to my name, and a pure sacrifice; for great is my name among the Gentiles, says the Lord Almighty’ [Mal. 1:10–11]

When he spoke the prophet was in creation but God spoke outside of this creation which is eternity. The prophet probably did not know what God meant but took it on faith never the less. Just like we do when say the Mystery of the Faith on certain matters.

43 posted on 01/27/2011 10:16:21 PM PST by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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