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To: DannyTN

So much for the concept of a sovereign God, huh? Tell me this, if we are “DEAD in trespasses and sin” as Ephesians 2:1 states, how can we do anything for ourselves in regard to salvation?


9 posted on 01/21/2011 3:29:38 PM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.....Eagle Scout since Sep 9, 1970)
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To: P8riot; rdb3
"So much for the concept of a sovereign God, huh? Tell me this, if we are “DEAD in trespasses and sin” as Ephesians 2:1 states, how can we do anything for ourselves in regard to salvation?"

There is no good that we can do to make up for our sins. For if we knew it was good, then it is only what we should have done anyway.

We needed a savior. However, when a condemned man accepts a pardon, do you consider the act of accepting a work? Hardly. Would you say he pardoned himself? no. You might say a man who turned down such a pardon condemned himself though.

What do you think Sovergnty is? Is a King sovereign only when he orders every action of every subject? Or is He sovereign because he "can" order every action of every subject.

God can clearly override man's will. In the Exodus, it's recorded that Pharoah hardened his heart several times, the last plagues, God hardened Pharoah's heart.

But in matters of salvation, if God chooses not to override man's will, does that make God less sovereign? I think not.

108 posted on 01/22/2011 9:54:00 AM PST by DannyTN
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