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To: DannyTN

I think you’re right.

In the verse cited — I didn’t hang up on the word “all” as much as the word “wants”. If God predestines all who are saved, why would he need to also “want” them to be saved?

God seeks even those who never seek Him. He wants all to be saved, but knows many will choose a different path. Free will.

SnakeDoc


6 posted on 01/21/2011 3:06:08 PM PST by SnakeDoctor ("They made it evident to every man [...] that human beings are many, but men are few." -- Herodotus)
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To: SnakeDoctor; fish hawk; Dr. Eckleburg
"God seeks even those who never seek Him. He wants all to be saved, but knows many will choose a different path. Free will."

The grave dilemma with "free will" is that if such a concept were true, it would require God not to know in advance who would choose Him. Otherwise, He would be aware of a fixed future from which the "free" chooser could not deviate. If God does know, and the chooser could not deviate, then the chooser is not as "free" as he believed. Oila', predestination. It is everywhere in the Scriptures.

19 posted on 01/21/2011 3:45:29 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: SnakeDoctor; DannyTN
At first glance the phrase "He died for all" would lead you to think that Jesus died for every individual who has ever lived. But upon a closer look we see something different revealed. When Paul speaks of people dying, in relation to the death of Christ, he is speaking of the Christians who have died in Christ: "Now if we have died with Christ..." (Rom. 6:8); "If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world..." (Col. 2:20); "For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God" (Col. 3:3); "It is a trustworthy statement: For if we died with Him, we shall also live with Him" (2 Tim. 2:11). The only ones who have died with Christ are the believers, not the unbelievers. Therefore, this verse can only make sense if it is understood that the "all" spoken of is not everyone who has ever lived, but only the Christians: "...that one (Jesus) died for all (the Christians), therefore all (the Christians) died..."

Something to consider?

32 posted on 01/21/2011 4:07:12 PM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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