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To: Dutchboy88
The grave dilemma with "free will" is that if such a concept were true, it would require God not to know in advance who would choose Him. Otherwise, He would be aware of a fixed future from which the "free" chooser could not deviate. If God does know, and the chooser could not deviate, then the chooser is not as "free" as he believed. Oila', predestination. It is everywhere in the Scriptures.

If I were to see you blasting down the road and I knew that a bridge was out just around the next curve, so close that you'd never be able to stop in time, would you be in my thrall because I saw you and knew that, thereby meaning that I forced you run into the river?

No, you wouldn't be in thrall to me. Just because the outcome is known that does not change the fact that you had and have choices to make of your own free will, and continue to make those choices until the day you leave this earth.

23 posted on 01/21/2011 3:54:59 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry
"If I were to see you blasting down the road and I knew that a bridge was out just around the next curve, so close that you'd never be able to stop in time, would you be in my thrall because I saw you and knew that, thereby meaning that I forced you run into the river?"

This is the common wrongheaded rebuttal. You completely missed the point. If God knows you are headed into the river, does He know it absolutely? That is, infallibly? That makes the future fixed. If it is fixed, then you are not "free" to miss the river.

Then you change horses and say, "...because the outcome is know that does not cahnge the fact that you had choices and have choices to make of your own free will." Read this over, again. It is not the conclusion of the premise. The question is, "Does God know what you are going to do before you even know that you will be making a choice?"

26 posted on 01/21/2011 4:00:29 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: RegulatorCountry; Dutchboy88
If I were to see you blasting down the road and I knew that a bridge was out just around the next curve...would you be in my thrall because I saw you and knew that, thereby meaning that I forced you run into the river?

How about if God was going to send an Angel of Death to kill all the first born in the land. However, the Angel of Death will skip the house if lamb's blood has been posted on the door post. Is it wrong of God to tell only a select few about the blood or should He be required to tell everyone?

34 posted on 01/21/2011 4:09:42 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: RegulatorCountry

“If I were to see you blasting down the road and I knew that a bridge was out just around the next curve, so close that you’d never be able to stop in time, would you be in my thrall because I saw you and knew that, thereby meaning that I forced you run into the river?

No, you wouldn’t be in thrall to me. Just because the outcome is known that does not change the fact that you had and have choices to make of your own free will, and continue to make those choices until the day you leave this earth.”

Great explanation.


86 posted on 01/22/2011 7:49:23 AM PST by cinciella
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