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To: Dutchboy88
Your assertion is akin to my seeing a car rushing toward a tree and after hitting the tree me being blamed for the car hitting the tree. That God can see all of the volume of time, simultaneously, does not mean God causes each individual event in the volume. God's Spirit sustains the universe in the very precarious balance (on the order of 1/10120), but one should not conclude therefore God is specifically making every event happen within that universe.
22 posted on 01/21/2011 3:54:12 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN; Dutchboy88; RegulatorCountry
If predestination is true, then why does this verse state "whoever believes" will be saved? The Bible says that faith is a gift from God (Rom. 12:3); that it is God who grants belief (Phil. 1:29); it is God who produces belief in a person (John 6:29); and only those appointed to eternal life by God are the ones who believe (Acts 13:48). Also, faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God (Rom. 10:17). In order for someone to believe, they must hear the gospel of Jesus (1 Cor. 15:1-4) because the gospel is the power of God for salvation (Rom. 1:16). There is no other name under heaven besides Jesus by which anyone may be saved (Act 4:12). And, one must receive Jesus (John 1:12) in order to be saved.

Why doesn't God give belief to everyone?

37 posted on 01/21/2011 4:14:59 PM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: MHGinTN; wmfights
"God's Spirit sustains the universe in the very precarious balance (on the order of 1/10120), but one should not conclude therefore God is specifically making every event happen within that universe."

Well, this may expose the distance between our two perspectives on exactly how God of Israel is described in our Bibles.

Prov. 21:1 The king's heart is like channels of water in the hand of the Lord; He turns it wherever He wishes. (wherever?)

Prov. 16:33 The lot is cast into the lap but its every decision is from the Lord. (every?)

Job 36:32 He covers His hands with the lightning and commands it to strike the mark. ("commands it"? the "mark"?)

Is. 45:7 The One forming light and creating darkness, causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the Lord who does all these. (all?)

The list could go on for miles. The evidence from Scripture is clear...there are no maverick molecules in the universe. There is One God, One manager of everything. The question becomes...why is this abhorrent?

102 posted on 01/22/2011 9:36:00 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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