Apostle Claver tells the world how the real party of racism is the Democrats
Posted on 01/21/2011 2:42:59 PM PST by wmfights
God protects the obedient. God sometimes destroys the disobedient. The Old Testament is replete with examples of overt destruction of unrepentant sinners. New Testament prophecy has quite a bit as well.
The tack that some participating in this discussion are taking would have those who smeared lamb’s blood on their door posts responsible for forcing the firstborn of those who didn’t obey to die. It’s verging upon magical thinking, imho.
what we know:
God is Holy.
God is Sovereign.
Anyone who is saved, is saved by grace and not any works they have done.
All have sinned.
Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.
If we all wound up in hell, God would still be Just, because that is what we deserve.
Knowing in advance the product of free will does not negate free will. We make the choice freely — He simply knows the choice we will freely make. This is not a logical contradiction.
SnakeDoc
I don’t know about “protect the obedient”. God pretty watched Satan beat the Hell out of Job, and Job was obedient.
SnakeDoc
Job was sorely tested. He survived the encounter, just as he survived the belly of the whale. “Protection” does not mean some sort of hermetically sealed bubble of perfect serenity and happiness, that flew out the window with the Fall.
What I don’t want to hear when I get to heaven...
God - “How the heck did YOU get here?”
***Were we all predestined to post on this thread?***
Yes. Well, maybe only the Protestants. And maybe not some of them.
IIRC, Jonah was in the belly of the whale, not Job.
God provides, and most tests are opportunities for us to understand that.
Reread your statement. You would not ask any thinking person to nod their head to such logic. We laugh at the Dems for this kind of doublespeak.
But it's God who calls the shots. It is He who gives us our faith and brings us to repentance. He opens our eyes and ears to the truth and gives us the wisdom from above to come to the knowledge of the truth.
There is nothing we have that has not been given to us.
No one on this thread will contest that God is omniscient; He know the outcome, but that does not mean He willfully controls it denying us the gift of free will.
Where exactly do we find this “gift” of free will?
I would not ask any thinking person to take predestination to its logical conclusion. Doing so would lead to an assertion that God is the author of evil and the director of all human misdeeds and sin. The Christian God is infinitely perfect, the author of evil and sin is not.
LOL
if John 6:44 is true, it would seem logical that the Father draws men to faith in Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit and that it is not a result of any works the person did, therefore this faith must be a gift.
Apostle Claver tells the world how the real party of racism is the Democrats
Any scripture that gives us a command or calls us to obedience is an affirmation of free will because it affirms that we have a choice and an ability to disobey.
Sirach 15:15-16 If you will, you can keep the commandments, and to act faithfully is a matter of your own choice. He has placed before you fire and water: stretch out your hand for whichever you wish.
Luke 10:16 He that hears you hears me; and he that rejects you rejects me; and he that rejects me rejects him that sent me.
Jeremiah 21:8-9 And unto this people thou shalt say, Thus saith the Lord; Behold, I set before you the way of life, and the way of death. He that abideth in this city shall die by the sword, and by the famine, and by the pestilence: but he that goeth out, and falleth to the Chaldeans that besiege you, he shall live, and his life shall be unto him for a prey.
There is no such thing as "free" will. There is either your will or there is God's will. Until Christ sets you free, you will only do your will. After Christ sets you free, then you can be led by the Spirit to do God's will. If you try to do your will, God will chasten and hasten you to do His will. You have gone from being a slave to sin to being a slave to righteousness.
The term "free" will is bogus. It assumes that you, with your sinful nature can do the things pleasing to God. That will never happen. God knows left to our own will, we will choose destruction-every time.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.