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To: mas cerveza por favor
I believe in Genesis creation but I don't know if the Church has ruled definitively on this topic yet. Until recently everybody just took for granted that the Creation story was literal truth, so no Church ruling was needed. Currently the Church is in crisis so it is not yet able to take the steps necessary for restoring sanity. Of course modernists of all stripes take evolution as a dogma of faith.

Well, that makes you an odd duck. The vast majority of Catholics today (very much including those here on Free Republic) are loud, vociferous partisans of evolution. Not only that, but they seem to regard any skepticism about evolution as rooted in Protestant sola scriptura. Just as the Baptist doesn't drink in order to never be drunk, these people reject that the surface meaning of the Bible can be true so that they will never be tempted to "private interpretation."

I've argued with Catholic evolutionists on this board for over a decade. It's a dogma to most Catholics today.

Despite the differences in our religious beliefs, you have my respect. I wonder if you've ever been told to get out, or that you were "un-Catholic" just because you didn't go out of your way to make Genesis a collection of myths?

36 posted on 01/19/2011 2:40:00 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator ('Anokhi HaShem 'Eloqeykha 'asher hotze'tikha me'Eretz Mitzrayim, mibeit `avadim . . .)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
The vast majority of Catholics today (very much including those here on Free Republic) are loud, vociferous partisans of evolution.

Traditionalist Catholics do not accept evolution. Nor does anybody with a scientific (small "s") mind. Unfortunately, we live in a time of mass apostasy and cultural genocide of the West.

In 1899, Pope Leo XIII promulgated an encyclical denouncing a heresy he called Americanism. This is not the same as secular Americanism, but deals specifically with the principle that "in order to more easily attract those who differ from her, the Church should shape her teachings more in accord with the spirit of the age and relax some of her ancient severity and make some concessions to new opinions."

This heresy was beaten back for a time, but combined with European variants and rebounded full-bloom in the 1960s. Since then, the minds of many Catholics have been clouded with liberalism to varying degrees. Even self-labeled conservative Catholics have found much of the "ancient severity" no longer palatable.

I wonder if you've ever been told to get out, or that you were "un-Catholic" just because you didn't go out of your way to make Genesis a collection of myths?

No liberal Catholic would dare call a knowledgeable person un-Catholic for opposing evolution. Apparently, Catholics play a prominent in the Intelligent Design movement. However, I have been called "integrist" or "on the tradjectory to schism" by liberalized "conservative" Catholics for adhering strictly to tradition. I now attend only the traditional Latin mass.

I would think that a Catholic looking down on "Bible believer" Creationism is simply indulging in class snobbery. Many college graduates imagine that belief in evolution will elevate them above the much disparaged backwoods rednecks. Evolution has never and will never become a dogma of the Faith.

48 posted on 01/19/2011 4:59:23 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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