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To: caww; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; count-your-change; ...
Romans 4 Romans 4

1What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh? 2For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness." 4Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. 5And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, 6just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works:

7 "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; 8blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin."

9Is this blessing then only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We say that faith was counted to Abraham as righteousness. 10How then was it counted to him? Was it before or after he had been circumcised? It was not after, but before he was circumcised. 11 He received the sign of circumcision as a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. The purpose was to make him the father of all who believe without being circumcised, so that righteousness would be counted to them as well, 12and to make him the father of the circumcised who are not merely circumcised but who also walk in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.

13For the promise to Abraham and his offspring that he would be heir of the world did not come through the law but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if it is the adherents of the law who are to be the heirs, faith is null and the promise is void. 15For the law brings wrath, but where there is no law there is no transgression.

16That is why it depends on faith, in order that the promise may rest on grace and be guaranteed to all his offspring—not only to the adherent of the law but also to the one who shares the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, 17as it is written, "I have made you the father of many nations"—in the presence of the God in whom he believed, who gives life to the dead and calls into existence the things that do not exist. 18In hope he believed against hope, that he should become the father of many nations, as he had been told, "So shall your offspring be." 19He did not weaken in faith when he considered his own body, which was as good as dead ( since he was about a hundred years old), or when he considered the barrenness of Sarah’s womb. 20No distrust made him waver concerning the promise of God, but he grew strong in his faith as he gave glory to God, 21fully convinced that God was able to do what he had promised. 22That is why his faith was "counted to him as righteousness." 23But the words "it was counted to him" were not written for his sake alone, 24but for ours also. It will be counted to us who believe in him who raised from the dead Jesus our Lord, 25 who was delivered up for our trespasses and raised for our justification.

If God does not count our sin against us, we don't need to pay for them.

31 posted on 01/17/2011 6:09:28 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Thank you for the scripture on Abraham. Interesting that it was his faith not the law which counted him righteous.

I believe God ment it when He said that Christs’ work on our behalf...set us “Free” from the law and sin...and we walk by faith in Him. How can one know this freedom of walking with the Lord in our life if they are still trying to walk according to the law?

Therefore I do understand why Catholics have a need to follow Rome....on one hand they might understand Jesus has set them free...but are unable to recognize that freedom for abiding by all the requirements of their church which stands in the way of knowing anything but laws, rules, rituals etc. All which give them a false sense of security....but security non-the-less.

It’s like the Titanic captain, (pope), and all those who built it saying it could never sink. Well educated and highly experienced professionals assured any critics that this was simply not possible...and they had the stats to prove it, and followed all the rules established. The people then put all their trust in them AND the ship that was carrying them. And we know the end of that story.

The people wanted to believe this was so despite the critics...and many even denied the ship was sinking at the time that it was.


36 posted on 01/17/2011 6:51:11 PM PST by caww
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