This from a so-called futurist premil who can find any statements of futurist premillennialism among the early church fathers in spite of his claims.
I actually have more respect for the “fulls” than the partial pregnant types like Sproul and topcat. Like I said, at least they are consistent.
I'd be more concerned about your false claims regarding the ECF.
Correction: “who can’t find any statements”
I went to bed early last night, checked this thread this morning, I can see I should have stayed up, I see the old shark is on the prowl.
Topcat:
You know you’re talking to yourself? And not saying anything?
Me:
You ARE a partial preterist aren’t you? You ARE a postmillennialist aren’t you? What I said applied primarily to preterism, Sproul may not be postmill, I don’t know, but you are both.
Topcat:
Some claim the Spanish Jesuit Francisco Ribera (1537-1591) is the first to promote futurist ideas. If so, then Protestants who buy into it are part of the Roman Catholic system.
Me:
Apples and Oranges, Ribera did not begin futurism, evidence is abundant in the ECF for futurism. He merely reached back to the futurist beliefs of the ECF to bolster his case against the Protestants. The papacy, of which he was a part of, were Amillennialist, he had to go back to the ECF which predated RCC Amillennialism, to make his case. Alcazar, on the other hand, since we have no evidence for preterism before him in the ECF or otherwise, apparently is the first to advance preterist ideas.
Topcat:
This from a so-called futurist premil who can find any statements of futurist premillennialism among the early church fathers in spite of his claims. I’d be more concerned about your false claims regarding the ECF.
Me:
The ECF writings abound with statements about their belief in a future antichrist/beast/man of sin as the main feature of a future great tribulation, a future post-tribulational, and singular, second coming of Jesus Christ closing out this age (no pretrib rapture), and a future millennial.
As to what you said about Lacunza, I agree that he is the real origin of pretribism. I have read Lacunza’s “The Coming of the Messiah, in Glory and Majesty,” he made prewrath rapture like statements in it, which the Irvingites and Darby modified to pretrib rapture-ism. Yeah, Lacunza was a futurist, but so what? Like I said, neither he nor Ribera started it.