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To: metmom

“self-controlled”, “not quarrelsome” - I guess Jesus should have never made Peter the first pope since Peter was neither “self-controlled” or “not quarrelsome”./sarc

Timothy and Titus are describing an ideal and they are not truly describing minimum qualifications since no man can meet all of these qualifications - not even Peter who Jesus picked.


317 posted on 01/17/2011 6:27:14 AM PST by impimp1
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To: impimp1; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; ...
God has given every believer the Holy Spirit so that we have the power to choose to not sin. There is NO excuse for the kind of corruption and immorality and evil practiced by the majority of the popes the Catholic church has had.

Their behavior is not simply a matter of *Ooops, they're human. Every one slips once in a while.*

The Catholic church history is replete with vile evil perpetrated by the popes in the name of Christ. That is totally inexcusable.

Nobody is expecting perfection from a man, but anyone CAN expect far better from anyone who names the name of Christ than they have done.

Protestant televangelists are rightly condemned for immoral lifestyles which are no different in nature that Catholic clergy participate in and the Catholic clergy is routinely excused for even worse sin by Catholics every day.

That is just rank hypocrisy of the worst kind.

1 Peter 1:13-19 13Therefore, preparing your minds for action, and being sober-minded, set your hope fully on the grace that will be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. 14As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance, 15but as he who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, 16since it is written, "You shall be holy, for I am holy." 17And if you call on him as Father who judges impartially according to each one’s deeds, conduct yourselves with fear throughout the time of your exile, 18knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, 19but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot.

1 Peter 5:1-5 1 Peter 5 Shepherd the Flock of God 1So I exhort the elders among you, as a fellow elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, as well as a partaker in the glory that is going to be revealed: 2 shepherd the flock of God that is among you, exercising oversight, not under compulsion, but willingly, as God would have you; not for shameful gain, but eagerly; 3not domineering over those in your charge, but being examples to the flock. 4And when the chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the unfading crown of glory. 5Likewise, you who are younger, be subject to the elders. Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for "God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble."

2 Peter 2 1But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. 2And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.

4For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; 5if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6if by turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes he condemned them to extinction, making them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; 7and if he rescued righteous Lot, greatly distressed by the sensual conduct of the wicked 8(for as that righteous man lived among them day after day, he was tormenting his righteous soul over their lawless deeds that he saw and heard); 9then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment until the day of judgment, 10and especially those who indulge in the lust of defiling passion and despise authority.

Bold and willful, they do not tremble as they blaspheme the glorious ones, 11 whereas angels, though greater in might and power, do not pronounce a blasphemous judgment against them before the Lord. 12 But these, like irrational animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed, blaspheming about matters of which they are ignorant, will also be destroyed in their destruction, 13suffering wrong as the wage for their wrongdoing. They count it pleasure to revel in the daytime. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their deceptions, while they feast with you. 14They have eyes full of adultery, insatiable for sin. They entice unsteady souls. They have hearts trained in greed. Accursed children! 15Forsaking the right way, they have gone astray. They have followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved gain from wrongdoing, 16but was rebuked for his own transgression; a speechless donkey spoke with human voice and restrained the prophet’s madness.

17 These are waterless springs and mists driven by a storm. For them the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved. 18For, speaking loud boasts of folly, they entice by sensual passions of the flesh those who are barely escaping from those who live in error. 19They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves of corruption. For whatever overcomes a person, to that he is enslaved. 20For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. 21For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22What the true proverb says has happened to them: "The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire."

327 posted on 01/17/2011 6:57:03 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: impimp1; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; ...
“self-controlled”, “not quarrelsome” - I guess Jesus should have never made Peter the first pope since Peter was neither “self-controlled” or “not quarrelsome”./sarc

Well, he didn't make Peter the first pope. I guess He knew the character of man well enough to not establish that kind of absolute power and authority of one man over another.

Peter blows it time an again. That alone is evidence enough against claiming he was pope.

331 posted on 01/17/2011 7:02:20 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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