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To: count-your-change
But isn’t that exactly what is being done here, “telling who is actually condemned to hell”? Those who die in a state of mortal sin?

We do not say that these people are in a state of sin: we say that we believe that they are not Christian based upon what we believe that they are saying or doing and expel them from Christian brotherhood. We do not and cannot Judge them. Excommunication is not a sentence to hell - it is a Pauline expulsion from the Christian community.

If I misunderstand either your statement or the Catechism, please inform how so.

Because you indicate that the Church passes eternal Judgement. It does not and cannot. It can only operate temporally based upon the individual's actions and communications.

2,880 posted on 02/02/2011 9:35:36 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: MarkBsnr

“Because you indicate that the Church passes eternal Judgement.”

I don’t wish to indicate that so I’ll rephrase.

The Catechism states: ““1035 The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, “eternal fire.”

As you say, “Sure. We categorize heresy as a mortal sin”
then logically heretics, whether excommunicated by formal action or automatically, suffer the punishment set forth in the Catechism?

I understand, “It(the Church) does not and cannot.” pass eternal judgement.


2,897 posted on 02/02/2011 10:04:50 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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