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To: count-your-change
Nay, not so. In this the Reformation did not reform but only changed leadership. Murder in the name of Christ is murder.

I'll go along with that. Does that extend to Protestant murders of Catholics and other Protestants? Some would say that the only reason that Protestants did not murder on the scale of the Catholics is because they lacked the opportunity. However; we must consider that the current American (Protestant) policy in the Balkans and in the Middle East is directly resulting in the extermination of the native Catholics such as the Chaldeans in Iraq and the Copts in Egypt. Remember that for 500 years or better, the entire Middle East was Catholic, until the Muslims came. Also remember that Suleiman the Great was invited by the Hungarian Calvinists to invade Europe; all the Protestant nations sat by and watched the Battles of Vienna, where the Catholic armies twice only barely held back the Muslims. They were hoping that the Muslims would sweep through and the Protestants could divide the spoils with them.

As Jesus said to the Pharisees at Luke 11:48,’You are witnesses of the deeds of your forefathers and you give consent to them, these killed the prophets and you build tombs to them’.

Not justification, just pointing out that the Protestants were hardly sweetness and light. Cotton Mather was a case in point.

Anyone can go to the Catholic Encyclopedia and read the specious reasoning justifying and excusing and blame shifting ad nauseum.

The Catholic Encyclopedia is not a bad source, but not authoritative. Try the Vatican.va website instead.

2,811 posted on 02/02/2011 7:28:20 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: MarkBsnr; count-your-change
And you copied and pasted 3 of the 5 the quotes by c-y-c except these two.

But Catholics claim that THEY have the one true and apostolic church and must be viewed from the standpoint of their claims about themselves. If there are Protestants justifying similar acts I would respond in the same way. Why didn't you address these as well?

2,820 posted on 02/02/2011 7:43:08 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: MarkBsnr
I appreciate the history lesson but I find it difficult to see why current American government policy is either Catholic or Protestant seeing that Presidents of both persuasions went to some lengths to keep state craft apart from religious.

Nixon had a Quaker background and Kennedy was Catholic but Viet Nam, for example, was neither A Quaker or Catholic war. So the truth of the below......well, views may vary. I don't do policy analysis's for the U.S. government.

“However; we must consider that the current American (Protestant) policy in the Balkans and in the Middle East is directly resulting in the extermination of the native Catholics such as the Chaldeans in Iraq and the Copts in Egypt”.

“Not justification, just pointing out that the Protestants were hardly sweetness and light. Cotton Mather was a case in point.”

Quite so but not my contention otherwise.

“The Catholic Encyclopedia is not a bad source, but not authoritative. Try the Vatican.va website instead.”

But it does have the stamp of approval of Catholic authority and agrees with Catholic authority so would the Vatican web site say something contrary?

2,881 posted on 02/02/2011 9:36:09 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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