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To: mas cerveza por favor; Quix; ReformedBeckite

>>You cannot cite passages from scripture<<

Maybe you should just do more study.

“Rapture” is an English translation of the Latin word raeptius in the Vulgate, which in turn is a translation of the Koine Greek word harpazo, found in the Greek New Testament manuscripts of 1 Thessalonians 4:17. In many modern English translations of the Bible, harpazo is translated “caught up” or “taken away.”

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


261 posted on 01/16/2011 9:21:02 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

INDEED.


269 posted on 01/16/2011 9:48:22 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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Maybe you should just do more study. [...] 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Are you saying this passage supports pre-tribulation rapture? The preceding verse makes it clear that this rapture happens at the time Christ comes to judge dead:

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

So I repeat, you have nothing of substance to support the 180-year-old pretrib rapture theory.

279 posted on 01/16/2011 10:25:14 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: mas cerveza por favor; Quix; ReformedBeckite; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; ..
Let’s also look at this whole notion of the rapture being only a recent belief.

Saint Irenaeus was an early church father and apologist, and his writings were formative in the early development of Christian theology. He was a hearer of Polycarp, who in turn was a disciple of John the Evangelist.

Irenaeus
Against Heresies
Book 5, Chapter 29, Paragraph 1

And therefore, when in the end the Church shall be suddenly caught up from this, it is said, “There shall be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning, neither shall be.” Matt. xxiv. 21. For this is the last contest of the righteous, in which, when they overcome they are crowned with incorruption.

Pseudo-Ephraem's Pre Tribulation Rapture Statement (c. 374-627) A Sermon by Pseudo-Ephraem (section 2)

"All the saints and elect of God are gathered together before the tribulation, which is to come, and are taken to the Lord, in order that they may not see at any time the confusion which overwhelms the world because of our sins."

Trying to deny that the early church fathers didn’t believe in the rapture is an out and out lie.

330 posted on 01/17/2011 7:01:53 AM PST by CynicalBear
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