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To: Alamo-Girl
Do you attend a church? Read the Bible? Attend ecumenical meetings? Somewhere there is a leader. Who is that leader and to what are they leading you?

I am a bakery shop kid, God Himself leads me.

How do you know that you are actually following God?

I believe if a man came up to Billy Graham even at his advanced age and said “I want to be just like you, I will follow you to death” that Billy Graham would rent his clothes and repent in dust and ashes for he has spent his entire life pointing to Jesus.

It would be an interesting episode, wouldn't it? Yet Billy Graham had no problem speaking to vast audiences and world leaders and having them listen to him.

I follow the Good Shepherd, not man, any man.

Again; how do you know. Satan is the brightest angel.

You continued: Is not satan more powerful than any man?

Not a man filled with the Holy Spirit but we are to be respectful evidently because his fate is in God’s hands:

God is more powerful than satan that is true, but let us look at some of satan's powers. Satan is called the lord of this world three times in John. Paul calls him prince of the power of the air and also the god of this world. And Revelation says that he rules the world through deception and sin. If you are filled with the Holy Spirit, then you can resist; if you are not truly filled, then you can succumb. That is part of the purpose of prayer - to petition God for His Grace and His help.

But to say that we are treat evil with respect is nonsense. It is not the role of Michael the Archangel to be the accuser. It is Michael's role to war on satan - Revelation tells us that there was a war in Heaven.

Also, you give the Church the glory for defining the Trinity. That glory belongs to God. He revealed that Truth in Scripture:

None of these can be used to derive the Trinity; it is only once it is defined, one can look at these verses and say that they do not disagree.

Isaiah 9 gives us 'son of God' which the Jews understood to be a man. And nothing about the Holy Spirit at all.

Matthew 28 had the Father and the Holy Ghost added three or more centuries after they were written.

Romans 8: says Spirit of God which certainly gives no indication that the Holy Spirit is One Person of the Triune God.

Psalms 12 refers to the OT God (of which there is no mention of Trinity).

The Church wrote, massaged, harmonized, chose and preserved the NT Scripture and it also decided on the Septuagint as the OT. You keep speaking of the Church as if it were simply another club. All Christianity believed that it was formed by Jesus, taught for three years by Jesus and commissioned at Pentecost by the Holy Spirit. That is the source of its authority and with that comes heavy responsibility.

The saying is that the floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops - I believe it to be true. To whom much is given, much is required by God.

2,551 posted on 02/01/2011 4:45:55 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: MarkBsnr; Alamo-Girl

How do YOU know that you’re following God?

Catholic church history is little to write home about and gives precious little evidence of following the Sermon on the Mount as even starters.

Jesus said that if we love Him, we’ll obey His commandments.

Where is the commandment to persecute those who don’t fall in line with the Catholic church?


2,556 posted on 02/01/2011 5:05:04 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: MarkBsnr; metmom; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix
How do you know that you are actually following God?

You already asked that and I answered it at post 2315

If you are filled with the Holy Spirit, then you can resist; if you are not truly filled, then you can succumb.

A person who does not have the Spirit indwelling him is not a Christian:

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. - Romans 8:9

And again,

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. - John 3:5-8

To your objections concerning the Trinity revelations of Isaiah 9:6, Matthew 28:19 and Romans 8:9 I aver that the words of God can only be spiritually discerned.

The people in the following passage were physically hearing Jesus but they could spiritually hear Him:

Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word. – John 8:43

Lexicons, commentaries, seminaries, counselors, miracles, logic and so on will not help someone who does not have "ears to hear."

And Moses called unto all Israel, and said unto them, Ye have seen all that the LORD did before your eyes in the land of Egypt unto Pharaoh, and unto all his servants, and unto all his land; The great temptations which thine eyes have seen, the signs, and those great miracles: Yet the LORD hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day. And I have led you forty years in the wilderness: your clothes are not waxen old upon you, and thy shoe is not waxen old upon thy foot. - Deuteronomy 29:2-5

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: - John 10:27

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned. - I Corinthians 2:14

The rest of your post is exalting the Catholic Church.

Nevertheless, again I say, to God be the glory, not man, never man.

The earth [is] the LORD'S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein. – Psalms 24:1

The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. [There is] no speech nor language, [where] their voice is not heard. – Psalms 19:1-3

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. - Revelation 4:11

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. - Revelation 1:7-8

2,618 posted on 02/01/2011 8:52:37 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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