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To: Nut Flush; CommerceComet; Elsie
No it wouldn't be much different, but then they'd be running afoul of state prostitution laws. If they operated in Canada, however, it would potentially be legal...Regarding the difference between "paying to watch a couple have sex on a TV screen vs. someone paying to watch a couple have sex via see-through mirrors from the room next door?", well, is this even a serious question? The very nature of your sentence implies that in the second example, there's some kind of peepshow going on without the knowledge of the involved parties. That type of video voyeurism is illegal in every U.S. state.

#1...Did you even see me address "what is legal" and "what is illegal" in my post to you? (I didn't) Too many so-called "conservatives" let the law guide them on what is "immoral" & what is "moral." If United States law or Canadian law established by politicos, enforced or not enforced by black-robed rogues, & oft' engineered by bureaucrats -- if they have become your moral compass, God help you!

[I'm sure many of the residents living in Sodom & Gomorrah were within all citizenry boundaries. "legal" & otherwise!]

Explain yourself. Adultery involves sexual intercourse between a married spouse and someone other than their husband or wife. How exactly does watching pornography fit into that?

I am a Christian -- and I try to see the world through Christ's eyes. One of the most famous messages He gave is called "The Sermon on the Mount" (Matthew 5). In that message, he said:

“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

You see murder doesn't begin with an outward act; it begins in the heart...sometimes it's hate...sometimes it's exploitation & the exploiter needs to get rid of the evidence (rape-murder)...sometimes it's jealousy...sometimes it's envy...but all of that began somewhere in the heart.

The same is true with adultery. Now not all lust leads to physical adultery, just as not all jealousy & envy & hate leads to violence. But God sees our hearts; therefore He judges on both motive/purpose as well as action/inaction.

What if the viewer of the Marriott-provided film is a single male? Is he cheating on himself?

He is cheating God of offering Him a purer heart. He is cheating a potential future wife if he thinks "screen women" can satisfy. He is cheating himself if he thinks porn is a replacement for living relationships...no different than what Ebenezer Scrooge did -- only Scrooge eschewed relationships & opted for $. Many single men eschew long-term relationships in favor of both $ & false replacements.

What if it's a couple that enjoy watching porn together, for whatever reason? Are they cheating on each other by watching it?

Again...what's the difference between that couple heading to a local orgy & being voyeurs @ such an event? In that case, they sanction ("bless") the orgy; and the couple watching porn is helping to pay the salary of the porn industry. If they think the porn industry is more worthy of their $ than the poor & needy, well, there ya have part of our nation & world's troubles in a nutshell.

No it doesn't run along the same pro-choice roots. People who have abortions are killing their baby. I support that "choice", if you can even call it that, in cases of rape, incest involving a minor, and to protect the mother's life. That's it.

Sure it does. Every non-chemical abortion stops a beating heart & stops brain waves. There's nothing that increases the "personhood" of that child by further growth. Therefore, dismembering the pre-born via a suction aspirator is no different morally than chopping up a newborn.

If you support abortion in the case of incest, you are effectively in favor of helping the incest perpetrator cover up his crime in cases involving a father/stepfather/family member, etc.

Numerous women have gone public & said they were the "product" of their mother's rape, including Ethel Waters. I'd like to see you go face-to-face with any of them, & tell them, "I supported dismembering the likes of you in the womb because of what your father did."

Pro-aborts talk "pro-choice" language so that they don't have to describe what a suction aspirator does; you used pro-choice, pro-option, & pro-selection verbiage so that you didn't have to describe prostitution-on-film meant to "satisfy" a long-distance voyeur.

The majority of feminists that were behind the abortion movement actually oppose pornography because they feel it's degrading to women.

Initially, yes. Not true as we moved into the 90s. Many pro-abort feminists lean more toward an ACLU worldview of free expression. They take the attitude of "Well, I wouldn't watch a porn flick myself, but I wouldn't oppose anybody else doing that."

A lot of them would like to see it banned, so it is actually you that is in good company with the abortionists...what would you like to have see happen to the porn industry? Would you like to see pornography banned? If so, the First Amendment apparently means nothing to you.

Well, let's see. Porn theaters came around in the 70s...and corporations making $ off of hotel porn came around the 80s. So "the First Amendment" wasn't in operation prior to the 70s or 80s???

Actually, since organizations like the ACLU argues for the production of more porn under the guise of the First Amendment, your position makes you in good company with the ACLU. And if you're into promoting the ACLU, what are you doing on a conservative Web site?

What would I like to see happen to the porn industry? (It'd be great if many became saved in Christ...a few have come out of that industry). Beyond that, 'twas great that Winona County in MN banned all hotel porn last year!

When DID I ever compare Marriott adult movie offerings to children's cartoons? Of course the adult movies are different from children's cartoons. Children's cartoons are meant for children and adult movies are meant for adults.

You referenced prostitution-on-tape-for-purchase as "customer...option" and "customer...service" as if catering to voyeur-johns wasn't distinct from offering a Disney flick to kids! (And obviously, to much of Corporate America, it's not).

"It is completely distinguishable from watching a movie involving PAID ACTORS...ADULT movies..."

"Adult?" You buy into the porn industry's labeling of its products? Wanna explain what is so "mature" about watching something primarily geared to prompting a male hand to touch a male organ? And you call filmed prostitution "acting?"

Listen, Hollywood's professionals have A LOT to be slammed about, but to compare what the porn industry does to at least what Hollywood did for decades before it, too, went completely South shows a completely uncouth lack of cultural appreciation of the visual arts.

If you don't want to see it banned, then your advocacy on this thread amounts to nothing more than a leftist-type screed against a public corporation that has done far more good for this country than you ever could dream of doing.

Of course, you seem to assume that simply removing the porn from Marriott's business plan (whether it was self- removed or elsewise) would somehow make any good that Marriott has done evaporate. If that's your argument, how foolish!

How many workers do you employ?Does your anti-pornography company employ a few dozen? I assume you give them wages and a 401k and health insurance like Marriott does?

Well, let's see...I heard that cleanhotels.com refers potential customers to more hotels & motels that don't carry in-room porn than the # of facilities Marriott has.

Add that to the Omni chain, which also doesn't carry in-room porn (since 1999). How many employees do these anti-porn hotels & motels employ? (More than Marriott!!!)

Tell you what...why don't buy shares in Omni instead vs. being an investor in the porn industry!

168 posted on 01/13/2011 12:57:15 PM PST by Colofornian
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