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Why Thinking Government Should Exclude Religion is Wrong
Caffeinated Thoughts ^ | 1/3/11 | Shane Vander Hart

Posted on 01/03/2011 4:44:56 PM PST by iowaguy1972

I started to read over the weekend a new book by Dr. Wayne Grudem, professor of systematic theology at Phoenix Seminary called Politics According to the Bible. In the first chapter he discusses five wrong views about Christians and government. One of those is the view that government should exclude religion. This is the view that is promoted by groups such as the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and Americans United for Separation of Church and State.

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TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: freedomofspeech; religiousliberty; waynegrudem

1 posted on 01/03/2011 4:44:59 PM PST by iowaguy1972
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To: iowaguy1972

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2 posted on 01/03/2011 5:02:36 PM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: iowaguy1972; xzins; betty boop; wmfights; Alamo-Girl; metmom; hosepipe; 1010RD; spirited irish; ...

They’re at it again Beep.


3 posted on 01/03/2011 5:07:12 PM PST by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: iowaguy1972

There is one constitutional phrase at work here . . . and it ain’t “separation of church and state.” All the little Christian haters need to learn the phrase ‘establishment of religion’ and they need to understand what the phrase means.


4 posted on 01/03/2011 5:25:31 PM PST by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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There is a big difference between “acknowledgement of religion” and “establishment of religion”. The left has continually tried to make these two things equal. It is impossible to logically do so.


5 posted on 01/03/2011 5:47:45 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: iowaguy1972
Everybody has a religion its just that with some their God is themselves..
And they are very devout believers too.. some of them...

Others have no respect for anybody.. or any thing..
And cling to that rule religiously..

6 posted on 01/03/2011 5:48:29 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Secret Agent Man; YHAOS
There is a big difference between “acknowledgement of religion” and “establishment of religion”. The left has continually tried to make these two things equal. It is impossible to logically do so.

They also conveniently ignore the *prohibiting the free exercise thereof* part.

7 posted on 01/03/2011 6:02:32 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom; Secret Agent Man
Allow me to recommend to you both the Library of Congress web site Religion and the Founding of the American Republic http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel01.html

The essays presented at this site are revisions of most of the papers prepared by the authors for delivery at a Library of Congress symposium, "Religion and the Founding of the American Republic," June 18 - 19, 1998.

They are most instructive and they explode a lot of 20th Century Atheist myths about America’s religious history.

8 posted on 01/03/2011 9:04:55 PM PST by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: YHAOS

I will look into it.


9 posted on 01/03/2011 9:17:51 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: YHAOS; iowaguy1972; xzins; betty boop; wmfights; Alamo-Girl; metmom; hosepipe; 1010RD

In “America’s Real War,” author Rabbi Daniel Lapin exposes the ACLU as an enclave of atheist Pharisees whose hatred of Jesus Christ and Christians is their real motivation, disguised of course behind a plethora of false concerns. The Americans United for Separation of Church and State is part of an ever-growing New Age spirituality network currently moving with incredible force and speed over and across America.


10 posted on 01/04/2011 5:43:21 AM PST by spirited irish
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To: metmom
You will find Religion and the Founding of the American Republic a very valuable historical resource.
11 posted on 01/04/2011 8:33:36 AM PST by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: spirited irish
Yes.

Both of these worthies (the ACLU and The Americans United for Separation of Church and State) are little more than criminal front groups for the Marxist/Socialist assault on America.

12 posted on 01/04/2011 8:38:25 AM PST by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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The Americans United for Separation of Church and State is part of an ever-growing New Age spirituality network currently moving with incredible force and speed over and across America.

There's absolutely nothing "spiritual" about what these folks are doing, as that word is commonly understood.

Rather, what they're up to goes according to this series of questions:

...[W]hy do important thinkers like Comte (French philosophe par excellence) and Marx (atheist ideologue par excellence) refuse to apperceive what they apperceive quite well? why do they expressly prohibit anybody to ask questions concerning sectors of reality they have excluded from their personal horizon? why do they want to imprison themselves in their restricted horizon and to dogmatize their prison reality as the universal truth? and why do they want to lock up all mankind in the prison of their making?... — Eric Voegelin, "Remembrance of Things Past"

Why indeed.
13 posted on 01/04/2011 10:15:12 AM PST by betty boop (Seek truth and beauty together; you will never find them apart. — F. M. Cornford)
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To: YHAOS

Thanks for the ping, dear YHAOS!


14 posted on 01/04/2011 10:46:38 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: spirited irish
Sad, but no doubt true. Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dear spirited irish!
15 posted on 01/04/2011 10:47:50 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop
Leave it to Voegelin to say it just right.

Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dearest sister in Christ!

16 posted on 01/04/2011 10:48:54 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
Leave it to Voegelin to say it just right.

He's awesomely good at that, IMHO. You know how much I admire him!

BTW, Richard Geldard cites Voegelin a few times in his Remembering Heraclitus. I haven't yet finished the book. It's pretty interesting so far....

It's great to see you again, dearest sister in Christ!

17 posted on 01/04/2011 12:57:16 PM PST by betty boop (Seek truth and beauty together; you will never find them apart. — F. M. Cornford)
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To: betty boop
I'm tickled pink that Richard Geldard cites Voegelin! It speaks well of him.

And I am thrilled to see you again and be back posting - the Christmas Holidays were quite full - blessed, wonderful, engaging but leaving no room for anything else. LOLOL!

18 posted on 01/04/2011 1:02:05 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
LOL, I knew you had a houseful over the holidays!

I missed you! I hope your Christmas was splendid, blessed, dearest sister in Christ!

19 posted on 01/04/2011 1:05:09 PM PST by betty boop (Seek truth and beauty together; you will never find them apart. — F. M. Cornford)
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To: betty boop
I missed you, too, dearest sister in Christ and pray that your Christmas holidays were blessed in every respect!
20 posted on 01/04/2011 8:20:57 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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