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Nowhere in the Bible does it say to pray to know truth. Feelings are just that, not objective measurements of truth. That doesn’t mean we aren’t to pray, but we are not to pray to know something that can be objectively discovered. Do you pray to know if gravity is true?

Additionally, Moroni’s promise is a ‘catch 22’. It says you must be sincere, pray with real intent, and have faith in Christ and you will get the answer the the BoM is ‘true’.

So...if you get an answer that it is not, then there must be something wrong with you (either you don’t have faith, you aren’t sincere, no real intent). You get yourself into this point where you keep praying until you convince yourself that it is ‘true’.

It is a common brainwashing technique.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say to pray to know truth.

So, your contention is either that we are not commanded to pray, or that we are to pray to know what is false? Which is it?

Feelings are just that, not objective measurements of truth.

I did not say anything about feelings. My answer was not "just a feeling" and it was very specific. I find that the more specific the question, the more specific the answer.

That doesn’t mean we aren’t to pray, but we are not to pray to know something that can be objectively discovered.

All right, I'll bite, so, how do you know Jesus lived and died for you, objectively that is...(Remember, no praying allowed!)

Do you pray to know if gravity is true?

I have prayed that it would fail at precise moments in time, alas, I fell anyway.

Additionally, Moroni’s promise is a ‘catch 22’. It says you must be sincere, pray with real intent, and have faith in Christ and you will get the answer the the BoM is ‘true’.

All of which are things you have control over. If I give you a radio and say batteries not included, but you can get God's voice by putting in the right batteries and tuning to the right channel and you do neither does that mean God's not broadcasting? or is that a catch 22 also?

So...if you get an answer that it is not, then there must be something wrong with you (either you don’t have faith, you aren’t sincere, no real intent). You get yourself into this point where you keep praying until you convince yourself that it is ‘true’.

So, an insincere prayer will be answered?

A prayer without faith in God should still be answered by him?

Honest people will know when they are not receiving an answer and know what that means, charlatans will try to convince men not to pray about it at all.

It is a common brainwashing technique.

I wouldn't know, I don't remember being brainwashed </humor>

I guess intelligent people who really want to know from God not men will just have to try ti, and if they can't get an answer after a reasonable time, they'll join the chorus on your side, what's the problem?

Oh, all the people who join that way.... Well, I guess you'd better just keep teaching people not to pray to God then.

Delph