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Joseph Smith: An Apostle of Jesus Christ
LDS.org ^ | Dennis B. Neuenschwander

Posted on 01/02/2011 5:46:30 PM PST by Paragon Defender

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To: aMorePerfectUnion; reaganaut; DelphiUser
BTW, I am a descendant of Abraham with the genealogy to prove it.

HA! Delphi, you make me LOL....

But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. Titus 3:9

961 posted on 01/03/2011 2:27:30 PM PST by colorcountry (Comforting lies are not your friends. Painful truths are not your enemies.)
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To: restornu; Logophile
Allow me to revise and extend my remarks:

Thin-skinned Mormons probably should not respond to criticism, if they cannot do so without getting upset.

962 posted on 01/03/2011 2:28:17 PM PST by Logophile
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To: reaganaut

When again is your birthday? :-)


963 posted on 01/03/2011 2:28:48 PM PST by T Minus Four ("Vital truths were restored by God through Joseph Smith. I just can't think of one")
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To: Paragon Defender
It is the anti-Mormon freeper gang that “posts offensive, provocative, inflammatory stuff on a daily basis”.

Psst!

We can't afford statues and stuff...

964 posted on 01/03/2011 2:29:48 PM PST by Elsie
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To: DelphiUser
Get a Book of Mormon, Get a Bible. Read both, pray about both, ask God to testify of Jesus and ask God to reveal errors for what they are, and truth for what it is and listen for God's response. The response should contain a testimony of Jesus, or it may not be from God.

Notice the conditional "test of the BOM"....

I have posted here before that after much study, prayer and fasting, I received a message from the Holy Spirit that the Book of Mormon was not a message from God, that Joseph Smith's "revelation" was not from the spirit of God, and that Christ is the Savior of mankind. That Christ is with me always, and that HE is the only way to salvation through HIS grace, not through empty works or rituals.

This is MY testimony to all.

I invite all Christians to praise Him here, but I don't believe it necessary to "defend" your faith against a challenge from those who are misled. If any care to take up the challenge of reading the Book of Mormon and asking God its truth, please do so. But be aware that if you receive a message that it is NOT true, you will be told by mormons that YOU failed in some way.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1925641/posts?page=1204#1204

Answer to above from DU: I'm asking you again, how exactly did you receive your negative message?

What exactly were you asking God in your prayer?

What exactly were your preparations for an answer from on high?

Please understand I am not trying to tear you down, but your actions are not consistent with your words here and I as an analyst must either conclude that you have left something vital out of your report, or you have falsified it in some way. I do not like to think that my Christian brethren would lie about something so important to the salvation of the soul, so I ask for more information to help me and any Lurkers to rectify the apparent contradictions of your story with your actions.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1925641/posts?page=1207#1207

As you can see, "taking the test" is not simple...if you do not receive the answer that doesn't fit the mormon template.

965 posted on 01/03/2011 2:30:00 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (("A Leftist assumption: Making money doesn't entitle you to it, but wanting money does.")
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To: DelphiUser; reaganaut
IMHO Regardless of what denomination you are, all Bible followers should be paying tithing to their church.

You can pay your tithing all day long to your church. I give all, my everything, to my Lord and His Church - it is ALL His!!

966 posted on 01/03/2011 2:30:47 PM PST by colorcountry (Comforting lies are not your friends. Painful truths are not your enemies.)
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To: DelphiUser; T Minus Four; colorcountry; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; ...

Tithing was not a mosaic law, Abraham followed it, so it was not fulfilled, besides the early Christians followed it too.

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Epic fail. While it was part of the Abrahamic covenant, it is considered part of the law (as was sacrifice).

Early Christians DID NOT PRACTICE TITHING. They either lived communally or gave as they were led (as Paul teaches). There is no mention of tithing in the NEW Testament.

Here is a good link on the subject. It would serve you well to read it:

http://www.gotquestions.org/tithing-Christian.html

The bible is written to all Christians even if we are not bound by the Law of Moses. Christians are NOT to tithe but to give as we are led, and BTW, that more often than not is more than just the 10%. Also, who says we need to give to a church? We need to give to the LORD, at certain times I have been led to give to ministries rather than a church so I have. It is all God’s money and afa ex-mo’s go - the Christian ones I know are much more generous since they have been freed from the law the LDS church puts forth.


967 posted on 01/03/2011 2:31:00 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Tennessee Nana

You can race Elsie. I have a long late night ahead, so I’m going to go take a nice prayerful nap.


968 posted on 01/03/2011 2:31:43 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Syncro; narses

I understand why Christians don’t believe the title is true; it is a statement of mormon belief, one that is well-known to anybody who knows something about the LDS religion. In their belief system, Jesus appeared to Joseph Smith. Most Christian denominations do not believe this happened.

I even understand the reason some people believe that this difference of opinion is more important than other differences of opinion that show up in Caucus thread titles. First, those differences are of a different degree than this difference, and second, it is actually rare for the title of a caucus thread to contain enough information to call out a disagreement.

The mormons aren’t the only faith which feels put upon either. There is a perception of anti-catholic postings, which lead to a caucus thread titled “Catholic Apologetics Thread”, which discussed how to handle such attacks, and had an interesting set of ideas of how religion could be handled more charitably in these forums, in a more protective manner to avoid people being abused or feeling attacked for their questions and discussions.

I’d like to see a more charitable application; however, I understand that this is at cross-purposes with those who feel part of the use of Free REpublic is to save souls, to proselytize, to convert. Obviously there are those who believe that is the LDS poster’s purpose. More clearly, that is the stated purpose of the anti-mormon posters, to convert mormons to christianity.

As to this thread, it could easily have been handled by reposting the original article as open, and letting christians have a go at arguing the point. There was in fact very little arguing the points made in the article.

I also found it funny that a lot of the first 100 posts were attacks on the original poster for “failing” to post as caucus, for thinking his thread deserved breaking news, and for forcing it down people’s throats. It wasn’t until the news spread that this was not the poster’s fault that people stopped attacking, and instead praised the move.


969 posted on 01/03/2011 2:32:46 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Sherman Logan

It doesn’t say anything about him fighting back when he was cut to pieces.

Smith is no martyr.


970 posted on 01/03/2011 2:33:42 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: MHGinTN

For good reason.


971 posted on 01/03/2011 2:35:03 PM PST by T Minus Four ("Vital truths were restored by God through Joseph Smith. I just can't think of one")
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To: Sherman Logan

But Mormons revere him as a martyr.


972 posted on 01/03/2011 2:35:03 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Paragon Defender
Completely false. You really should get your info from more than anti-Mormons. You are being misled. Willingly it would appear.

"PD; have you been spitting out your pills; AGAIN?"

973 posted on 01/03/2011 2:35:15 PM PST by Elsie
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To: Paragon Defender
 

See this is what I mean about regurgitated propaganda.

Instructions given by Joseph Smith:

          "Doctrine & Covenants" Section 129:
1  There are two kinds of beings in heaven, namely: Angels, who are resurrected personages, having bodies of flesh and bones;
2  For instance, Jesus said: Handle me and see, for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. 
3  Secondly: the spirits of just men made perfect, they who are not resurrected, but inherit the same glory. 
When a messenger comes saying he has a message from God, offer him your hand and request him to shake hands with you. 
5  If he be an angel he will do so, and you will feel his hand. 
If he be the spirit of a just man made perfect he will come in his glory; for that is the only way he can appear;
7  Ask him to shake hands with you, but he will not move, because it is contrary to the order of heaven for a just man to deceive; but he will still deliver his message. 
8  If it be the devil as an angel of light, when you ask him to shake hands he will offer you his hand, and you will not feel anything; you may therefore detect him. 
9  These are three grand keys whereby you may know whether any administration is from God.

Joseph Smith, Nauvoo, Illinois, February 9, 1843. History of the Church 5:267. 


974 posted on 01/03/2011 2:36:58 PM PST by Elsie
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To: Elsie

Well, I wasn’t, until you responded to me. Have a nice day.


975 posted on 01/03/2011 2:37:06 PM PST by Cymbaline ("Allahu Akbar": Arabic for "Nothing To See Here" - Mark Steyn)
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To: Elsie

I WAS away, until you posted to me four times.


976 posted on 01/03/2011 2:38:38 PM PST by Cymbaline ("Allahu Akbar": Arabic for "Nothing To See Here" - Mark Steyn)
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To: T Minus Four
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977 posted on 01/03/2011 2:39:02 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (("A Leftist assumption: Making money doesn't entitle you to it, but wanting money does.")
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To: SENTINEL
 
 
 

The jury will note that the defendant's lawyer has called my client's reputation into account.

Is he now prepared to show the court the EVIDENCE for these SCURRILOUS charges?

978 posted on 01/03/2011 2:39:02 PM PST by Elsie
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To: reaganaut; DelphiUser
BTW, I am a descendant of Abraham with the genealogy to prove it. [Delphi user] - - - - - -

Oh my heck, LOL! Lay it on us dude!

979 posted on 01/03/2011 2:39:36 PM PST by T Minus Four ("Vital truths were restored by God through Joseph Smith. I just can't think of one")
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To: T Minus Four

But what mormon thread isn’t, for those who believe the mormon faith is not christian?

I find most of the LDS threads, and titles to be contrary to my belief system. I guess I’m just not seeing why this particular thread was seen as much worse than any of the others, or why it was considered to be revealing something new about the mormon faith.

Maybe more of just a “last straw” thing.


980 posted on 01/03/2011 2:40:50 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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