Joseph Smith: An Apostle of Jesus Christ

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[Invincibly Ignorant]

You really can’t name one, can you.

I can't. I'm not the one that claimed I could.

[colorcountry]

LOL...A Christian trait of Jesus. What next? Water is wet?

[T Minus Four]

The LDS Church says so.

[T Minus Four]

:-)

[restornu]

Was I wrong was not John Lee the rogue Mormon 9/11 compared to radical Muslims 9/11 but painted all the Mormons with that brush by the antis LDS?

So by your view this should never be compared towards LDS ever again!

Thank you!

[restornu]

BBL

[T Minus Four]

Gota zoom, back later

[Clique]

Sorry, Elsie, but I won’t be drawn into this religious dispute.

My only reason for joining this thread is my concern about the abuse of the caucus system. Every post I’ve made has been in an attempt to point out the error in the way this thread was handled.

We should be here to defend and promote conservatism, not anyone’s particular religious belief system. We should attack Progressivism, not each other.

If people can hijack a caucus thread to impose their religious beliefs, that threatens the integrity of Free Republic as a meeting place where *all* conservative members can join to share ideas in a secure atmosphere.

Over the past two years, I have become concerned that the “chilling effect” so abundant on this thread is appearing in the other forums. I have watched a growing tendency for people to “gang up on” and shout down anyone they disagree with — anyone they consider not “pure enough.”

Yes, Free Republic is Jim Robinson’s property, and he can allow or prohibit anything he chooses to.

But I suggest that Free Republic has developed over the years into something that is greater than any segment of us, or any one of us — even Jim Robinson. Free Republic has become ... almost a force of nature.

If Free Republic is allowed to be corrupted by the manipulations of a few, regardless of who they are, then Free Republic will be nothing more than one man’s blog.

This thread is infected. I hope the infection will not spread.

Elsie, your excerpt from “1984” is very applicable, ... but not for the reason you thought.

. . .

Now...I must return to more constructive activities.
I’ll check back when the thread hits 2000 posts... or 2500.
:O)

[T Minus Four]

Never mind, fire quenched, I’m still here :-)

[T Minus Four]

I’ll check back when the thread hits 2000 posts... or 2500

Just wondering why.

[colorcountry]

Actually resty,

John D Lee acted in concert with every LDS preisthood holder in the Iron Mission of Southern Utah when he murdered 120 Christian men, women and children.

He just happens to be the only one convicted, but several other men were charged and disappeared before they came to trial.

Your ignorance of facts is showing.

[MHGinTN]

Quite the contrary, idgit, you clearly play the game of take a side and cause dissonance. That is my applied definition. Thanks for jumping into the snare, agitprop.

[restornu]

The point is he went off on his own with his friends!

[colorcountry]

And every one of his “friends” was also a Mormon man who committed murder.

You don’t really believe they stood around and watched as Lee shot, stabbed and killed 120 people do you?

[greyfoxx39]

Wouldn't that be kinda like ya'll comparing Mormon beliefs to that of Muslims? Cuz I see alot of that goin' on around here too.

What a coincidence! Mormontimes has a lot of love for muslims....thanx for the opportunity to post the links.

Also, a very interesting LDS/MUSLIM CAUCUS thread is posted HERE

Quote from the article: "How, then, might Latter-day Saints regard the Muslim community? The most helpful approach is to recognize the truths and values we share with our Muslim brothers and sisters, even while politely acknowledging that theological differences exist. Certainly Latter-day Saints do not agree with Islamic teachings that deny the divinity of Jesus Christ, the need for modern prophets, or the principle of eternal progression. But by being humble and open to spiritual light wherever it may be found, we benefit from the religious insights of Muslims and affirm similarities in belief such as faith, prayer, fasting, repentance, compassion, modesty, and strong families as cornerstones of individual spirituality and community life."

http://www.mormontimes.com/article/16673/LDS-church-gymnasium-open-for-Muslim-worship-services?s_cid=search_queue&utm_source=search_queue

 

LDS church gymnasium open for Muslim worship services

"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, a Mormon church on Old Highway 94 in St. Charles,

 provides space every Friday in its gymnasium for Muslims to spread their prayer rugs and worship." (August 24, 2010)

 

http://www.mormontimes.com/article/631/BYU-publishes-classic-text-written-by-Islamic-philosopher?s_cid=search_queue&utm_source=search_queue

 

BYU publishes classic text written by Islamic philosopher

"The publication of Avicenna's work is "an acknowledgment of the great contributions Arabic and Islamic civilization have made to the world,"

Daniel C. Peterson said. "It is an expression of respect for Muslim tradition on the part of Latter-day Saints."

 

http://www.mormontimes.com/article/17289/Mormons-Muslims-get-along-by-creating-books-not-destroying-them?s_cid=search_queue&utm_source=search_queue

 

Mormons, Muslims get along by creating books, not destroying them

"The threat by Pastor Terry Jones to burn the Qur'an was all over the news. What if, instead of destroying Muslim books,

we were actually to create them, by translating the classic works of the Islamic golden age into English?

"That is the project Dan Peterson, a professor of Arabic at Brigham Young University has been engaged in for more than a decade,

 a project that has built tremendous goodwill and resulted in many lasting friendships between Muslims and those of the Mormon faith.

 

http://www.mormontimes.com/article/17020/McKay-Coppins-Why-I-defend-Muslims?s_cid=search_queue&utm_source=search_queue

 

McKay Coppins: Why I defend Muslims

 

http://www.mormontimes.com/article/16943/Muslim-Day-of-Dignity-observed-in-Baltimore?s_cid=search_queue&utm_source=search_queue

 

Muslim 'Day of Dignity' observed in Baltimore

"The Mormon Church donated some of the school supplies and all of the hygiene kits. While interfaith charity efforts are not uncommon,

the Muslim-Mormon team catches some people by surprise, Amin said."

 

http://www.mormontimes.com/article/16942/Orange-County-Calif-Muslims-Mormons-break-fast?s_cid=search_queue&utm_source=search_queueOrange

 

Orange County, Calif., Muslims, Mormons break fast (Sept. 7, 2010)

 

http://www.mormontimes.com/article/353/Make-LDS-part-of-Mideast-solution-rabbi-suggests?s_cid=search_queue&utm_source=search_queue

 

 

Make LDS part of Mideast solution, rabbi suggests

""If the (Quorum of the) Twelve were to approach the United States government and say,

'We really feel that the religious dimension should be engaged in any kind of process to seek a way

to bring about peace in the Holy Land' ... I think that would be very helpful," Rabbi David Rosen told an audience at BYU."

[T Minus Four]

The point is he went off on his own with his friends!

Is that what is known as a "splinter cell"?

[Syncro]

I notice you brought up Mormon and Muslim.

Joseph Smith aligned himself with Mohammed (the guy that started Islam):

Joseph Smith made the following claim, “I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1]

Here is another interesting claim by Smith:

“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4]

It seems he is saying he did something that even Jesus couldn't do.

Here are the sources:

[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.”

And

[4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408–409.

Pretty well verified. What are your thoughts?

[Invincibly Ignorant]

What a coincidence! Mormontimes has a lot of love for muslims....thanx for the opportunity to post the links.

Thanx for the "they're as guilty as we are" defense. Doesn't add or subtract anything of substance from my posting.

[greyfoxx39]

That said, the Religion Forum is the most vicious and embittered of all the forums.

Prove it.

There are hundreds of threads and probably thousands of posts made daily on FR...do you inspect them all for "viciousness"?

IMO, much of the time on the RF the "hate" is in the eye of the beholder who has his own little axe to grind.

[greyfoxx39]

That said, the Religion Forum is the most vicious and embittered of all the forums.

Prove it.

There are hundreds of threads and probably thousands of posts made daily on FR...do you inspect them all for "viciousness"?

IMO, much of the time on the RF the "hate" is in the eye of the beholder who has his own little axe to grind.