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Joseph Smith: An Apostle of Jesus Christ
LDS.org ^ | Dennis B. Neuenschwander

Posted on 01/02/2011 5:46:30 PM PST by Paragon Defender

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To: Normandy
 
Are you suggesting that a change in behavior, and not just a confession of faith, is required to inherit the kingdom of God?
 
 
John 6:28-29 

Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?"

Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."

 

 

 

 

"You know the Scriptures: what do THEY say?"


1,361 posted on 01/04/2011 7:28:59 AM PST by Elsie
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To: Kevmo
Being the first to offend is a rough deal — for instance Ananias & Sapphira, the guys who touched the ark of the covenant, the guy who took loot home on the first raid into the promised land, etc.

That statement made ZERO sense. Are you saying those people were zotted by God because they were the first humans to ever be offensive? Or are you comparing removing a caucus staus on a thread with the judgement of God?

1,362 posted on 01/04/2011 7:30:25 AM PST by T Minus Four ("Vital truths were restored by God through Joseph Smith. I just can't think of one")
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To: Normandy; Elsie; MHGinTN

Norm,

A confession of faith (a TRUE one) that stems from a belief in Christ alone to save you will bring about a change in behavior, but it does not make a change in behavior REQUIRED to inherit the kingdom of God. A change in behavior is one of the proofs that salvation has ALREADY OCCURRED, but that doesn’t make it required. Expected is NOT required.

The Mormons put the cart before the horse, again.


1,363 posted on 01/04/2011 7:31:02 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Tennessee Nana
..slapped him for TSAing her...

LOL!

1,364 posted on 01/04/2011 7:32:16 AM PST by T Minus Four ("Vital truths were restored by God through Joseph Smith. I just can't think of one")
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To: Elsie
It has an END?

I guess it does!!

Shall we choose BANG! or whimper...?

1,365 posted on 01/04/2011 7:33:15 AM PST by Elsie
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To: Elsie

I can put one up. That isn’t a problem. I live in a town where only two people have their yards fenced, and one is to keep the dogs in and the other one is to keep the neighbor kids out of the above ground pool in the summer.


1,366 posted on 01/04/2011 7:33:30 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut
When the person says such things, they themselves know themselves to be a fraud, therefore they state in advance such a device which covers all the future bases.

You would think people to be smarter than that and not see through it.

I hereby prophesy that the Binger will never go to the moon and will be mocked on FR by certain PR spinners for good and evil among all nations, kindreds and tongues. And I bear my solemn testimony that this is true.

1,367 posted on 01/04/2011 7:33:37 AM PST by Utah Binger (Finally home to a foot of snow. A warming trend is occuring. It is 20 degrees right now.)
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To: cherry
I find the title of this piece insulting and heresey.....

Completely agree.

1,368 posted on 01/04/2011 7:35:24 AM PST by csense
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To: SkyPilot
God owes me nothing. It is the other way around.

When will you realize that God is not our servant, but rather, you are a servant of God?

Worth reposting. Very well said, Sky.

1,369 posted on 01/04/2011 7:36:17 AM PST by T Minus Four ("Vital truths were restored by God through Joseph Smith. I just can't think of one")
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To: Utah Binger; Elsie

i second that prophecy. Do we have a quorum?


1,370 posted on 01/04/2011 7:38:09 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: greyfoxx39
...had razor blades for lunch?

Yup :-) Blasphemous titles on FR threads really crank me up.

1,371 posted on 01/04/2011 7:38:35 AM PST by T Minus Four ("Vital truths were restored by God through Joseph Smith. I just can't think of one")
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To: reaganaut

>A confession of faith (a TRUE one)....

= = = = = =

God is the only one who knows what’s in a person’s heart.

So how can one human say that another human’s confession is NOT true?

(P.S. That’s a genuine question: I’m not merely baiting you.)
(This thread already has its fill of people trying to trap other people.)


1,372 posted on 01/04/2011 7:39:55 AM PST by Clique
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To: Elsie

That is sooooo cute!


1,373 posted on 01/04/2011 7:42:41 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

We could do like Mo ham head’s family did, start collecting every scrap of data from UB and compile his every word spoken or written, then fashion a ‘Book of the Binger’ and make it cannon to the faith.


1,374 posted on 01/04/2011 7:42:49 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: reaganaut

OOh.. a town!

It may have LAWS against FARM ANIMALS.

A neighboring community had a big flap last year over a family and their pet milk goats.

Someone raised a stink over the goats (2-3 whatever) and sicced the town marshall on them for having FARM ANIMALS.

Now ANYONE who knows goats can tell you they are WAY less of a ‘problem’ than the same number of DOGS, and, this was brought up in the court case.

But, just like on these threads, that was not the point.

Goats are FARM AMINALS, not PETS.

However, the law, being what it is, said, in essense: “There shall be no boarding of FARM ANIMALS within the city limits.”

Sounds pretty cut and dried; eh? Perhaps, but the ‘law’ did NOT stop there, it added: “such as horses, cows and chickens.”

The QUALIFying phrase was what let the folks KEEP their goats!

(Who knows what the future will bring, law-wise, as the complainer has already tried to get the ‘law’ changed.)


1,375 posted on 01/04/2011 7:43:06 AM PST by Elsie
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To: reaganaut
"I am never afraid of anything Mormon, Satan no longer has power over me."

Sing it loud girl, whoo-hoo!

1,376 posted on 01/04/2011 7:43:29 AM PST by T Minus Four ("Vital truths were restored by God through Joseph Smith. I just can't think of one")
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To: reaganaut

Sidenote:

I offered to bring my 4 into town and protest anytime they needed us!

;^)


1,377 posted on 01/04/2011 7:44:09 AM PST by Elsie
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To: MHGinTN

Posted before I saw yours. Yours is better, imo. :)


1,378 posted on 01/04/2011 7:45:42 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: DelphiUser
I promise people they can have the same answer as mine if they will just follow the steps

Or what? Money back guarantee of all our tithes if we don't make it to at least the middle kingdom?

1,379 posted on 01/04/2011 7:47:04 AM PST by T Minus Four ("Vital truths were restored by God through Joseph Smith. I just can't think of one")
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To: reaganaut; Normandy; greyfoxx39; colorcountry; Colofornian; Elsie; Godzilla; MHGinTN; narses; ...
Re: Was Joseph Smith a true prophet?

JOSEPH SMITH WAS DEAD RIGHT (literally) REGARDING TWO PROPHESIES

A VAIN PROPHET WILL BE THROWN DOWN: July 1828. D&C 3:4.

For although a man may have many revelations, and have power to do many mighty works, yet if he boasts in his own strength, and sets at naught the counsels of God, and follows after the dictates of his own will and carnal desires, he must fall and incur the vengeance of a just God upon him.

FULFILLED: On May 26, 1844, Joseph Smith made the following statement in a public sermon (Brodie p 374, HC 6:408-412):

Come on, ye persecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! For I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.

At the time that he boasted that he was greater than Jesus and denied that he had plural wives, Smith was secretly married polygamously to over 30 women, some of them wives of men still living. Many who knew of these secret marriages accused him of changing the doctrine of the church to satisfy his own carnal desires in violation of the Book of Mormon (Jacob 2:23-29, 3:5) and D&C 49:16.

Almost exactly one month after this boast, on June 27, 1844, Smith was killed in a blotched escape attempt at Carthage Jail.

NOTE: For some reason, this prophecy by Joseph Smith, although it was fulfilled quickly and literally, is rarely cited by Mormon apologists.

GLOBAL WARMING: Nov 3, 1831. D&C 133:26.

Those who are in the north countries... shall smite the rocks, and the ice shall flow down at their presence.

FULFILLED: Smith's uncanny prediction of Global Warming resulting from hydrocarbons taken by smiting the rocks has been confirmed by no less of an authority than the Nobel Laureate AlGore.

JOSEPH SMITH WAS DEAD WRONG (literally) REGARDING DOZENS OF OTHER PROPHESIES

You can see a partial list of 50 or so of Smith's failed prophecies HERE.

As to my favorite prognostication by Smith, personally, I'm torn between his prophecies of: (1) the violent overthrow of the United States in the 1830's, (2) the second coming of Christ sometime before 1891, (3) the discovery of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel living in cement houses in a valley near the North Pole, (4) the finding the moon is inhabited by men dressed like Quakers, and (5) his prediction that science will discover the earth has knobs on each end.

Perhaps you also have a personal favorite. If so, I would love to hear it.

/Zak

1,380 posted on 01/04/2011 7:49:25 AM PST by Zakeet (Always trust in the five G's: God, Gold, Guns, Grub, and the Government screwing up)
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