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Posted on 01/02/2011 5:46:30 PM PST by Paragon Defender
No cattle, either!
bedtime placemarker.
My “disagreement” is about outcomes. In my view, using your analogy, we took a thread languishing in obscurity, and hooked it up to loudspeakers so the entire site would hear.
Which I think is what was intended — for what other purpose would you put a thread in breaking news, if not to make it extremely public?
Which of course is fine, but seems at odds with those who are upset with the title as blasphemous — which seems would be better handled by deleting the thread or editing the title, than publishing it to the whole world.
It’s like taking an offensive video, and broadcasting it while complaining that nobody should have to view it.
I don’t imagine the LDS folks are all that upset with the popularity of the thread, even if they don’t like the ridicule, which they get in multiple threads on the site anyway.
I have tried to be supportive of the caucus concept, because it was a chosen framework of the site and it’s owner. As I have said before, I don’t personally take part in caucus threads, I don’t post them, and I don’t see much use for them personally, as I think everything should be discussable and debateable.
Anybody who knows me here knows I don’t back down from a debate, and am willing to defend my beliefs and opinions against all opponents. Caucus threads aren’t my style. But seeing them in action, reading the defense of them by the religion mods and those who participate in them, I decided that while they weren’t for me, they had a place, and have since defended their existance.
So it is kind of odd to find myself on the “wrong” side, when I have simply decided to accept what was the status quo.
I’ll check to see...but it was earlier in the day I spotted that and will see if i saved it to finish.
My heart goes out to those who have traveled the road out of Mormonism. The mindand heart games they play can devastate an individual when the truth is known...especially the years they find they believed a lie.
But Praise God once they are back into Gods word He can move them along pretty quickly....I find this especially true when husbands are the first to leave any false religion....God seems to fast track them getting the junk out and the truth where it belongs. Likely since he will surely impact his family...and the Lord wants them all out.
That sounds like... like...
like PERSONAGES!!!
First off, since I chimed in on this thread, I did not do so
with a debate on Mormon doctrine, but a statement on what I admired about some Mormon people...
A fact that they have the least of divorces in the USA along with Orthodox Jews and that they are very family oriented, and committed to helping one another.
I was honest to say, I do not know the teachings of Joseph Smith or Mormon faith.....However I had an opinion on Mormon people and how they lead respectable lives, like the majority of Osmonds, who are committed family people.
Yes I hope to always reflect the light of GOD to other’s and sharing the gospel message without turning them off by coming off as a Holier than Thou Hypocrite Christian.
Thanks for this!
We are getting WAY to tense in this thread!
(I hope you don't have to explain it!)
I just picked up two JW pamplets at the doctors office today!
They will get all marked up, as my usual practice, pointing out the non-BIBLICAL items they 'believe'.
Don't feel badly about this, as MOST MORMONs haven't either; unless it was right after construction and 'open house' was being held.
After that, the CLEANSING takes place to rid the building of possible cooties and THEN only WORTHY MORMONs will be allowed in.
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Temple Recommend Questions
1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost? 2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer? 3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days? 4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church? 5 Do you live the law of chastity? 6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church? 7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? 8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel? 9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen? 10 Are you a full-tithe payer? 11 Do your keep the Word of Wisdom? 12 Do you have financial or other obligations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations? 13 If you have previously received your temple endowment: Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple? Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple? 14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been? 15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances? |
Then you probably should stay off thread discussions of mormonISM.
See there!
This PROVES that GOD has REVEALED things to the Living Prophet lately!!!
And it ALSO proves that the 12 yesmen agreed wholeheartedly and unamimously that the LP did!
Otherwise; how to EXPLAIN the changes in the wording?
GOD must have SURELY dictacted the PREVIOUS stuff correctly, too!
--MormonDude(Oh... wait a minute... hold on there; let me check...)
I should remove myself from this thread? Why? because I do have some kind things I would like to share with Mormons on this thread on who they are as people?
Would Jesus condemn that?
“I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”
17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother,
Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith-History 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses, 18:172).President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses, 10:127).James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p.196).
They will get all marked up, as my usual practice, pointing out the non-BIBLICAL items they ‘believe’.
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I do this with the Book of Mormons I find in hotels in Utah. And I add my testimony about leaving the LDS and coming to Christ.
What's an Osmonds?
They will get all marked up, as my usual practice, pointing out the non-BIBLICAL items they ‘believe’
So do you also mark up writings from the Jews? Catholics?
Seventh Day Adventist?
Do you keep the Sabbath?
Have you given up all your material goods to the poor and followed Christ?
What are you trying to gain?
morTality;
not morality
Jesus would condemn their doctrines. Being nice doesn’t make a person a Christian.
O... K...
"So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver"
2 Corinthians 9:7
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