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To: LetMarch

I was raised in a Christian home and from my earliest memories, i have believed Jesus died for my sins and by the grace of God, i have been reconciled to the Father thru being in Christ. All those who die in Christ will be saved, those outside of Christ will not.
when you say “some say you must be baptized to be saved” are you referring to Jesus, Peter, Luke and Paul as recorded in the Bible? OR are you referring to the Catholic Church which received this from the Apostles?
you seem like a very sincere man, i have a very simple question for you and i hope you think about it before answering. The Apostles and disciples of Christ spread out far and wide in the years after Jesus’s ascension into heaven, preaching the Gospel and adding to the Church all that should be saved. Can you name any Christians after the Apostle John died until the the 16th century that believed Baptism was not how you had your sins washed away and how you were added to the Church? You say Satan makes salavation complicated, but it’s the Holy Spirit that leads the Church into all truth, so it is the pillar of truth. Read Second John verses 9-11, you seem to have a different doctrine than the orthodox, historical Church has received.


52 posted on 01/02/2011 7:58:28 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
Not at all! I am saying there are those that say Baptism saves you. But the Holy Scriptures teach clearly Jesus saves, then you are baptized, and you are added to the Church. God adds us to the church, not the church adds to the church. Just as we become heirs, and joint heirs of His beloved Son Jesus Christ. What I am saying (from my life experience) most people in these churches say; You gotta be baptized to be saved; and they never ever mention the name of the person that saves, which know is Jesus Christ. The apostle Paul said, I have not baptized, except Chrispus and Gaius; (1 Cor. 14)And we know Jesus did not baptize any (even though some have tried to tell me He did) In all the teaching of salvation, God in His sovernty never mentioned salvation by baptism, but He did say receive, believe and call, and you willed be saved. "Know ye not, that as many of us as were baptized were baptized unto His death? Therefore we are buried with Him by baptism into death: that like Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life." (Romans 6:3-4) Oh! I am glad you are saved, and are a Child of God, and a joint heir of Jesus Christ. That is what we rejoice and glory in, that which God hath done, and only could be done by God through Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour. Man can do a lot of things without God, and they do, and they leave God out of it, which makes it godless. We all must remember the messages to the churches in Revelation: Some had left their first love; to another they were told; Thou hast a name that liveth, and art dead. Again, lest us rejoice that our names are written in the Lamb's book of life; and Let everything that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD." (Psalm 150:6)
53 posted on 01/03/2011 5:53:06 AM PST by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonymous)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
Not at all! I am saying there are those that say Baptism saves you. But the Holy Scriptures teach clearly Jesus saves, then you are baptized, and you are added to the Church. God adds us to the church, not the church adds to the church. Just as we become heirs, and joint heirs of His beloved Son Jesus Christ. What I am saying (from my life experience) most people in these churches say; You gotta be baptized to be saved; and they never ever mention the name of the person that saves, which know is Jesus Christ. The apostle Paul said, I have not baptized, except Chrispus and Gaius; (1 Cor. 14)And we know Jesus did not baptize any (even though some have tried to tell me He did) In all the teaching of salvation, God in His sovernty never mentioned salvation by baptism, but He did say receive, believe and call, and you willed be saved. "Know ye not, that as many of us as were baptized were baptized unto His death? Therefore we are buried with Him by baptism into death: that like Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life." (Romans 6:3-4) Oh! I am glad you are saved, and are a Child of God, and a joint heir of Jesus Christ. That is what we rejoice and glory in, that which God hath done, and only could be done by God through Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour. Man can do a lot of things without God, and they do, and they leave God out of it, which makes it godless. We all must remember the messages to the churches in Revelation: Some had left their first love; to another they were told; Thou hast a name that liveth, and art dead. Again, lest us rejoice that our names are written in the Lamb's book of life; and Let everything that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD." (Psalm 150:6)
54 posted on 01/03/2011 5:53:06 AM PST by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonymous)
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