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To: topcat54
Sorry to reply so late. I have not been here much lately...

The fact remains that nowhere in the NT, not from the lips of Jesus nor from the apostolic writers, do we find the notion of a rebuilt temple with Jesus seated in a literal throne.

As to the Temple, The Revelation mirrors Ezekiel

As to the throne, Matthew 25:31...

But more to the point, your position causes these prophecies (among many, many others) to be made lies: Isaiah 16:5; Zechariah 6:12, 13; Jeremiah 3:17

And this (among many more):

Psa 132:13 For the LORD hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation.
Psa 132:14 This is my rest for ever: here will I dwell; for I have desired it.

[...] That what the apostate Jews wanted, and why they rejected Jesus, because He had rejected their ideas of the kingdom.

Their "idea" of the Kingdom may have been skewed, but the idea comes from the prophets. Your position requires Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Zechariah, Hosea and Joel to be removed from the canon, as all speak explicitly of the time AFTER Christ's return.

Informs, but does not override. E.g., the sacrificial system with the priesthood and temple was a pointer forward to Christ. It was intended to pass away when that to which it pointed, Jesus Christ, came on the scene.

Then why do the prophets predict sacrifices in the Millennial Kingdom?

The law was out tutor to point us to Christ. The law and prophets testified of Christ.

But the Torah stands FOREVER. And John tells us that we know we love God when we are walking in His Commandments... And that those who claim to be God's that do not keep the commandments are liars.

13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete . Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. (Heb. 8)

Obsolete. Yet some sad Christians see it as being reconstituted in the future, complete with animal sacrifice for sin. This is blasphemy.

Ahh... Hebrews 8... It does not say it IS obsolete. It says it is becoming obsolete... It is about to pass away... When EXACTLY does it pass away?

At the very least, the Old Covenant MUST remain open until every word of the prophets is fulfilled. It MUST remain until every Holy Day and the Jubilee have their final fulfillment.

The only date that I have found to tie that to is Rev 10:7, at the sounding of the Seventh Trump.

Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Most assuredly, that is not yet. And even after that, the saints are seen singing a song of Moses AND of Christ.

63 posted on 01/03/2011 12:30:06 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: roamer_1
A few things …

As to the throne, Matthew 25:31...

But the imagery in Matt. 25:31ff is the final judgment. The only thing left after than judgment is eternity. See verse 46. It corresponds to the White Throne judgment of Rev. 20.

Their "idea" of the Kingdom may have been skewed, but the idea comes from the prophets.

Yes, but the Jews were misinterpreting the prophets by demanding a literal earthly kingdom. Jesus refused. His kingdom was entirely spiritual and a present reality. The Jews were looking for something you could touch with a king you could handle.

Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, " The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you." (Luke 17:21,20)

Then why do the prophets predict sacrifices in the Millennial Kingdom?

It’s prophetic imagery. The sacrifice language in the prophecies was all indicative of the person and work of Jesus Christ. We are in the kingdom now, experiencing the benefits and blessings of His sacrificial work on our behalf.

But the Torah stands FOREVER.

Of course it does, by the covenant has changed from old to new. The terms of the covenant has been altered since the coming of the Torah maker, Jesus Christ. The old covenant terms were mere shadows and were fading away even once Jesus appeared at the end of that old covenant age (cf. Heb. 8:13; 9:26; Col. 2:16,17). Any notion of animal sacrifice once God finally removed the old covenant temple and eliminated the Levitical priesthood in favor of the Melchizedek one is blasphemy (Heb. 5:6,10).

When EXACTLY does it pass away?

When the temple was finally destroyed. There is no longer any way of keeping the old covenant system. God didn’t put the decaying on hold for 2000+ years. It was decaying and passing away in the first century. There is no reason to look forward to a decayed and rotting system in the future when we have the perfect system in Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God.

70 posted on 01/03/2011 7:21:14 AM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- like crack for the eschatologically naive.")
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