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To: CynicalBear; Judith Anne
“God has committed to her the treasury of all good things, in order that everyone may know that through her are obtained every hope, every grace, and all salvation. For this is his will, that we obtain everything through Mary.”

Are you forgetting that Christ -- by the Eternal Will of God -- did come to us through Mary? Perhaps you are one of those with a truly hazy concept of the Incarnation (the Word became flesh), who opine that the Most High Creator provided an incredibly detailed plan for salvation but unaccountably had to scrabble around at the last minute to find a Jewish girl who "fit the prophecies" (as if He were bound by prophecies someone else made!) because He forgot He'd have to have a mother for His Son.

133 posted on 01/01/2011 3:58:58 PM PST by maryz
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To: maryz
Word games and run arounds don’t work maryz. You don’t think that the Pope’s pray to Mary directly either.(see metmom's post 131) You play word games trying to delude people into believing that what the RCC believes is really not what they believe. It reminds of the the “what the word is, is” debacle.

Here are a couple more for you to contemplate.

“All our hope do we repose in the Most Blessed Virgin, in the all-fair and immaculate one who has crushed the most cruel serpent’s poisonous head and brought salvation to the world.” (Pius IX: Apost. Const., Ineffabilis Deus, December 8, 1854.) — [p. 18, no. 39]

So it was Mary who crushed the serpents head?

“The Catholic Church has always and with justice put all her hope and trust in the Mother of God.” (Leo XIII: Encyclical, Supreme Apostolatus, September 1, 1883.) — [p. 32, no. 104]

So all your hope and trust is in Mary rather then God Himself?

“She it was who, immune from all sin, personal or inherited, and ever more closely united with her Son, offered him on Golgotha to the Eternal Father....” (Pius XII: Encyclical, Mystical corporis, June 29, 1943.) [p. 37; no. 128.]

So it was Mary who “offered” Jesus on the cross? So important that neither Jesus or His apostles mention it?

139 posted on 01/01/2011 4:34:35 PM PST by CynicalBear
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