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To: aMorePerfectUnion

“This Isaiah passage has nothing to do Matthew’s words.”

You don’t think that the Key to the Kingdom of Heaven and the Key of David are in the least similar to one another? That they represent two hereditary offices where the authority can be passed on?

That is the only point I’m trying to show here. That the keys of the kingdom of heaven were intended to be a heriditary office.

“I don’t know why you added this, if you did not think it
had some support for your claim of continuing Apostolic
authority on earth.”

You misunderstand. You said that Isaiah referenced Matthew. No. Matthew references Isaiah. This is the reference that Christ was making when he gave the Key to Peter. Why give him a key at all?


177 posted on 12/30/2010 7:23:36 PM PST by BenKenobi (Rush speaks! I hear, I obey)
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To: BenKenobi

“Matthew references Isaiah. This is the reference that
Christ was making when he gave the Key to Peter.
Why give him a key at all?”

First, the closest the NT has to the administrative key
is in Revelations 3:7, where Christ says He holds the
key of David. Strange He has it and Peter doesn’t, if
it were the same key...

You seem to be saying Jesus was referring to Isaiah
when He is quoted in Matthew. The passage does not say
this, so it remains an interesting assumption on your
part that can never become more than that.

I do believe Peter was given authority in the Kingdom,
but over the Church, since the Kingdom is specifically
stated.

I also believe you are assuming what Christ said to Peter involves hereditary transmission, but again, it isn’t in the text, so it remains an assumption on your part.

Since supposed holders of that authority in this age are
prohibited from marrying and reproducing, it seems to me
that your hereditary argument is pretty thin gruel...

Having responded to your arguments a couple times...

I point out again that IF the Church was intended to continue to pass along Apostolic authority, it would
have been revealed and commanded in the NT, just like
all the instructions for choosing elders and deacons
are delineated.

Neither is present in the New Testament.

You can choose between two actual Biblical examples of
choosing Apostles, if you believe we are to do so today:

1. Casting lots, as in Acts

2. Christ Himself appearing to a non-Christian and opening his eyes, then making him an Apostle, they “seasoning” him
for 15 or more years... as when He chose the Apostle Paul

Which do you pick?

best,
ampu


185 posted on 12/30/2010 7:47:28 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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