Posted on 12/20/2010 10:32:51 AM PST by truthfinder9
I know that Christians are supposed to be the ones who believe a lot of myths. However, the vast majority of atheists believe myths such as religion is the primary cause of wars, and the vast amount of atrocities have been caused by religious people, the Bible has been vastly changed over the centuries, Paul invented Christianity, and the list goes on and on. Find your favorite myth below and read the article so that you won't embarrass yourself in the future.
For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. (2 Timothy 4:3-4)
It’s the inability to differentiate between the suffering of the father and the suffering of the innocent child by the said deity that makes it unable to fit the definition of perfect justice, mercy and kindness. This is my personal disagreement that I am yet to find a satisfactory reconciliation for.
In my view, an innocent life was made to suffer greatly for absolutely no fault of its own. Fallen or not, the suffering of the child was wholly due to a said divinity inflicting it upon it. That is immoral, and unjust.
Reciprocal punishments are never just, because they are never equal in penalty. A life for a life is meaningless and unjust because it amounts to punishing the innocent. For the individual child that lost its life, what was its recourse? Another life? Remember, it too suffered unjustly. An eye for an eye, and the whole world will be blind.
Why should I accept that as the official truth any more than the definition of someone else?
The crime rate in pagan Japan is much, much lower than in Christian America. I have seen women walking home after work at 1 AM. Where can you see that in our cities? Their first graders walk home after school.
When we reach that state of morality, call me.
I think if you would do a study of sin it might be helpful....God’s instructions are there to ‘protect us’ because no one knows the destructed course of sin as much as God does. which is why we are given the perameters of life and how we should live it.
Also a thorough study of David’s sin and why it was so grievious.
I do know that sin will always touch those in our life we most love though we foolishly think we can protect them from it. Comes to mind now..”Be sure your sin will find you out”.
In David’s sin there were many things which led up to that.. where He could have stopped the path he was on. In the end it cost two people their very life’s and positioned others to be part of the deception...who were also impacted. Let’s not forget the wife of the man David had killed...and what that ment to a woman in that time.
The list can go on but look closer at this...and how God views sin.
Below is a good place to begin in understanding the death of David’s son...perhaps this will help.
http://www.apologeticspress.com/articles/3400
“Another problem is that you cant have an entity create something without the entity itself being under the realm of time.”
This statement is false.
If the entity created time (which is highly plausible if God as Omnipotent Creator is true), he could have excluded himself from being subject to the realm of time.
One of the most common signs that a person is losing an argument is his attempt to obscure definitions.
Obviously you will choose to believe whatever you choose to believe. I was asked to provide a definition and I gave one. I ascribe the definition I do because it is the only one that comports with and explains human experience.
The Japaneese morality is the exact same morality as the Judean-Christian morality. What they choose to ascribe it to is another thing all together but the social mores and intrinsic moral values of right and wrong are the same. That they may do a better job as a society of living up to them is of no moment as to what they are or where they come from. I note that from 1900 to 1945 Japan was one of the most vicious, cruel barbarous societies on earth. Ask China or anyone that survived the Bataan death march. The same essential morals - fixed objective morals - are placed in every man's heart by God, whether they choose to acknowledge him or not. The Bible says most men will choose to deny him and will run from him.
The two are the same. And the answer I gave was as detailed as could be possible - and it was God's defintion of himself. If God is as I answered then all man could ever know of him, by definition, is that which he chooses to reveal. Finitium non capax infinitium. (the finite cannot comprehend the infinite)
No it's not. Their concept of right and wrong is completely different.
What they choose to ascribe it to is another thing all together but the social mores and intrinsic moral values of right and wrong are the same
What intrinsic moral values?
I note that from 1900 to 1945 Japan was one of the most vicious, cruel barbarous societies on earth. Ask China or anyone that survived the Bataan death march
Different society, different morals. Slavery was not considered immoral by many, if not most Christians for centuries. Then, all of a sudden epiphany! Polygamy was not considered immoral in biblical times, why is it now?
The same essential morals - fixed objective morals - are placed in every man's heart by God, whether they choose to acknowledge him or not
Is that fact? Because it's in the Bible? Fine, if you want to believe it, that's your prerogative, but just because you believe something doesn't make it universally true. If you are going to make statements of faith as statements of fact you better have some hard evidence to prove them.
bump for later
You have to recode the HTML to work on FR and that takes a ton of time. You can simply go to the web site referenced at the top of the original poster's article and follow to the web site and ALL the links work there.
Someday post a complicated post on FR with lots of links and see how well it works for you.
An atheist is a finite creature. He cannot know everything.
So the atheist, armed with that lack of knowledge must take —a leap of faith— to say there is no God.
With the atheists I’ve come to know the issue was never one of unbelief, the underlying issues were always: REBELLION.
Some atheists are cool with things.
But the others, who hate and seek to quell all expression of faith, those are the one who actually believe in God, but are furious that God doesn’t do things their way. This type will shake with rage if you stand up to them and demand they embrace diversity.
No it's not, because "God" means different things to different people. That means "God" is whatever people believe God is, not necessarily what, or even if God is.
I gave was as detailed as could be possible - and it was God's defintion of himself
In your mind. You have no proof that that is God's definition of himself. It's what you and some people choose to believe. Other people believe something else, and they believe their faith is the true faith just as I presume you do about yours. That doesn't make it true.
If you said "I believe God is such and such" that would be one thing, but to make it a matter of fact is another. But then I didn't ask what you believe God is; rather, I asked what is God (what is divine), and you told me what you believe God is.
I don't doubt or have problems with your faith. But you seem to think that just because you believe something it must be true.
Really? of the 10 Commandants, numbers 5-10 deal with how man should relate to man - which of these do the Japanese reject? None. They acknowledge all of these because they intrinsic to every man's heart.
"Different society, different morals"
And what is the difference post 1945? It's the introduction of western Christian culture.
"Slavery was not considered immoral by many, if not most Christians for centuries."
It was Christianity, based on Christian morals, which led the fight to abolish slavery in every western society. Polygamy has immoral since Adam and Eve and this was reiterated in the 10 Commandments and the teachings of Jesus. It was always immoral. That's why God finally wiped out Israel and the Jews spent 70 years in Bablylonian captivity - they refused to follow God's commands. The inability of individuals or even societies to live up to the fixed morals of the creator does not mean the absence of the same. Every polygamist in the Bible suffered for it.
If you are going to make statements of faith as statements of fact you better have some hard evidence to prove them.
I do have hard evidence. Although every epistemology must start with certain unprovable axioms, (even empiricism) even these can be corroborated by human experience itself. The evidence is there for anyone who truly wants to look at and for it.
And you are agruing that because others don't believe it, it can't be true. If someone chooses not to believe 2+2=4 that doesn't make it false. You can't "prove" the entire creation wasn't created 5 minutes ago with everyone's memories created as the now are. That doesn't mean I have to accept this could be true. We can't "prove" any of the basic axioms of logic or the basic axioms of Euclidian geometry. But we accept them as true. There is fixed truth, whether one chooses to accept it is up to them. And they suffer the benefits and consequences of their decision.
Robert Ingersoll, 1876
I agree.
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