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1 posted on 12/18/2010 7:30:38 PM PST by pastorbillrandles
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To: pastorbillrandles

The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.(Genesis 49:10

Neither Israel or Judah wield a sceptre to this day.

Lucy, you got some splaining to do.


2 posted on 12/18/2010 7:50:16 PM PST by TwoSwords (“The Lord is a man of war,” Exodus 15:3)
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To: pastorbillrandles

Thank you for the inner peace after a very tumultuous day. I was wondering - Do you think Israel will be invaded again?


4 posted on 12/18/2010 8:01:33 PM PST by huldah1776
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To: pastorbillrandles; DManA; CynicalBear; ex-Texan; M. Espinola; topcat54; ShadowAce; jy8z; ...
Rome ruled the Mediterranean world, in the days of the first coming of the Messiah, and there will be a revived Roman empire, a European super state at the time of the second coming.

Let's see -- How long will the Germans continue working 'til age 70 so that Greek bureaucrats can retire at age 50? Weren't there supposed to be TEN members of the "prophesied" European super state? What happened to that bit of numerology? Or have you already forgotten that bit of expert prophetic proclamation? Nice to have a convenient memory hole, a place to flush old books and old wives.

That's the fun of being a prophecy pimp -- you never have to say you're sorry.

No matter how many times your predictions fail to materialize, you can just go on confidently asserting some more extreme psychic garbage, in the confidence that there's a sucker born every minute, and there will always be a market for those who can tell people --

"Don't worry. Don't bother. The game is already rigged, the fight is already fixed, God has already decided to take a dive -- and He expects nothing of you."

Leon Festinger coined the term cognitive dissonance to describe the phenomenon that keeps the prophecy pimps in business. When their divinations and auguries fail to pan out, people process the conflict by becoming even more attached to the false prophet and the nonsensical religion he is peddling.
12 posted on 12/18/2010 8:47:54 PM PST by RJR_fan (The press corpse is going through the final stages of Hopium withdrawal. That leg tingle is urine.)
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Dear pastor,

* Once again the world will be globalized and ruled from the west,

Since the time of Noah, when has the world been “globalized and ruled from the west?”

will be a revived Roman empire, a European super state at the time of the second coming.

The Scriptures know nothing of a “revived Roman empire.’ This is a fiction of dispensational futurism.

Once again a man claiming to be god will seek to count and number the people of the world at the time of the return of the Saviour.

There’s nothing in the Bible about this.

* Once again Jerusalem and Judea will exist under foreign domination

There’s nothing in the Bible about this.

The situation today is similar, for though Israel captured the city of Jerusalem in 1967

The modern day secular state of Israel is not a subject of biblical prophecy. This is a fiction of dispensational futurism.

The 9th chapter of Daniel alone is an amazing prophecy which pinpointed the exact timing of the Messiah’s coming, death and the destruction of te temple following it.Jesus would tell us in Matthew 24 that once again an understanding of Daniel the Prophet is essential to being ready for his second coming

Dispensational futurism has basically misinterpreted the key text of Daniel 9:27, and then, in order to make their errant theology work, they have invented a gap of several thousand years and inserted it into the text of the Daniel 9 prophecy. They have inserted a similar gap in the text of 1 Cor. 15.

23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming. [ insert a gap of 1000 years here.] 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power
It appears all you have been able to do is regurgitate the longstanding errors of dispensational futurism.
47 posted on 12/20/2010 6:39:30 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- like crack for the eschatologically naive.")
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Once again the world will be globalized and ruled from the west...(Luke 2:1)

That is a wild imagination. Right now the West is on fire and not likely to be around as a global political influence within this decade. Compare to BRIC countries that are NOT engaged in suicide like the West. Furthermore your eisegesis of Luke 2:1 is wanting. The word we read in the English "World" which you gratuitously and erroneously assume to mean the entire globe is 'οίκουμένη'. If the word was 'κόσμος' we might be having a different discussion. Besides, I would think that the Han Dynasty in the far East and the mesoamericans would not be participating in Rome's census. But why let historical fact and language get in the way of a good campfire story?

The World is being prepared for another ultimate Caesar, the antiChrist, he will be heralded by all, at first, as the leader we have long-awaited, and will seem to have solved many of the world’s most intractable problems, such as the economy, terrorism, and the mideast peace problem.

Have you asked the Communist Chinese and the mullahs of the Islamic World what they think of this grand scheme of yours? Furthermore, Rome is in Italy, and Italy is one of those PIIGS nations that will be ruled over well before they can even hallucinate a future where Rome once again rules over all. Furthermore, you have a massive problem called "Demographics" that screams in opposition to your nightmare scenario. The West is dying while the East (except Japan) and the Muslim world is exploding with new inhabitants who have zero interest in adopting a Western lifestyle. We can't even get our illegal aliens from the South to adopt Western values as they invade and take-over the dying corpse of the united States.

Then you have the problem of Balkanization. Diversity has failed miserably everywhere it has ever been attempted. It ALWAYS results in war, poverty, famine, disease and death. Which leads me to my final nail in this coffin - I simply call it "Babel".

You see, God looked down and saw the trouble with a globally unified earth and He solved that problem once and for all. Apparently, you have discovered some sunset language in God's Decree, where, like His alleged Millennial Earthly Reign, also ends in failure to accomplish His Purpose. When God said that He would divide the Earth, boy Howdy did He ever, and to this day men will be at each other's throats never to be unified despite Satan's best efforts to do so. Interestingly, Dispensationalism, seems to be investing their money on Satan to be victorious in defeating God's Decree. (yet another reason I despise Premillennial Dysfunctionalism)

People will have no problem rendering worship to Him.

How long did that Messiah Worship of Barry Soetoro last? A year? And billions were poured into his propaganda campaign, yet it only fooled a slight majority of Americans.

True Israel is a reborn nation, as of May 1948, and this is a major sign of the second coming.

This should be labeled appropriately as "blasphemy" as Paul defines "True Israel" and it has absolutely nothing to do with the United Nations and a largely secular Israeli nation that brutally and bloodily gathered up but a tiny fraction of the Land Promise that was fulfilled in Joshua's day - and all of this without God's help. (in the same manner in which God promised to grant the Promised Land, not in the general Acts 17:26 way). Paul's "True Israel" is the spiritual seed of Abraham realized in the adoption/inclusion of the Gentiles side-by-side with their spiritual kin of ethnic Israel.

srael watches helplessly while Muslims dig out the Holy mountain, destroying priceless relics from the first and second temple, crushing them into gravel!

First of all, the Dome is not on the original temple site, its on the site of the Roman Fort Antonio. Second, if you read your OT history, Nebuchadnezzar plundered Solomon's temple on several occasions, and we even have an itemized list of "priceless relics" removed and carted off to Babylon. Third, apparently you don't believe Jesus Christ Himself when He said that "not one stone would be upon the other" because the Romans looted whatever remained of the Temple. Fourth, even if there was ANYTHING else, Roman Catholics in the form of Crusaders and Pilgrims looted everything that could possibly have ANY religious significance to be sold as "relics" to underwrite the Crusades and expand the Vatican's wealth and power.

Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. (Luke 21:24)

This is one of the MANY internal contradictions of Dispensational foolishness. We are taught that those who are Left Behind can come to Christ but will have to undergo the Tribulation. If Gentiles are still coming in, which means that the times are NOT fulfiled in either spiritual or political sense, then what do we make of the phrase "until the times...are fulfilled"? You have Jerusalem reappearing before that time. Pick one, you can't have both. If you say that this does not apply to spiritual Gentiles, then you have a bigger problem since allegedly most of the prophecies in Daniel, Ezekiel and Revelation have absolutely nothing to do with the Church since we are supposedly partying it up during this wave of Judgment. That leaves the reprobate, who, because of 1 Corinthians 2:14 are completely unable to understand the Bible. Dispensationalists want us to believe that one-third of an unreadable Book is dedicated for the edification of the Reprobate. Again, another contradiction that does violence to Scripture.

-He comes again in the night, the moral and spiritual night of apostasy,moral decline, darkness and rebellion.

That is the equivalent of saying that water is wet. The whole point of the doctrine of Redemption is because all of mankind is fallen, dead to our sins and transgressions, slaves to unrighteousness and born wicked and in rebellion. There has never been a time in all of human history since the day of Adam's fall when this statement of yours wasn't true. So what is so prophetic about it?

But some Shepherds,(Pastors) who were watchful for their flocks, they were ready when the Angels came, they saw him.

Go back and read that passage in Luke again. They were terrified at the appearance of the Angels, had no clue that the Messiah was born, went to investigate it because the claims where so hard to accept. Even Mary, who just gave birth to the Savior, already visited by angels, and impregnated in the most unnatural way, still had to "ponder the words" that the shepherds parroted from the angels. Your version of the events is miles from the revealed truth.

The 9th chapter of Daniel alone is an amazing prophecy which pinpointed the exact timing of the Messiah’s coming,

I bet that Revelation 12:1-2 has a much better precision than Daniel 9. According to that passage, our LORD was born around 6:20PM local time on what our calendars would record as September 11th 3 BC, or according to Jewish Calendars Rosh Hashanah.

At least my campfire stories have a sound basis in Scripture and can be demonstrated.

67 posted on 12/21/2010 7:16:19 AM PST by The Theophilus
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