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To: HarleyD
People who go down the path of trying to explain the Trinity, and especially the incarnation, are bound to get burned.

It was developed by the Church over hundreds of years. Every possible error arose and was dealt with. Yet, here they come along again and again, because "people" go down the same paths the Church has already covered.

MacArthur was the only one who said that Christ was the only way to heaven.

Pardon me, but big whoop. Now what does that mean? "People" will vary a great deal on that answer. And a bumfuddled priest doesn't change what the Church believes - you can look it up. :)

You may quibble over some of MacArthur’s erroneous views which he later has recanted.

So what's to keep him from re-re-canting. And the "incarnational sonship" was was no small quibble. What's the point in listening to him if it's only to reinforce what you believe when he agrees and ignore him when he doesn't? It's your authority picking those who agree as your authority. Unless you then recant. On and on...

One may recall that the great Augustine found himself in a similar situation

We're the Catholic Church not the Augustinian Church - people again.

MacArthur sticks up for the gospel time and again.

According to you and some other people. :)

Honestly, with all the mishmash of different doctrines and theologies, church becomes pretty meaningless. People get convinced one way, then another, leave this church, found another… Lots of people, no church.

Thanks for your reply.

288 posted on 12/21/2010 2:14:01 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr; Gamecock
HD-MacArthur was the only one who said that Christ was the only way to heaven.

D-F-Pardon me, but big whoop. Now what does that mean? "People" will vary a great deal on that answer. And a bumfuddled priest doesn't change what the Church believes

Ah, the standard pat answer-this "bumfuddled" priest doesn't speak for the Church and I should go look up what the Church believe. And when I go look up the Church teaching is that there really are other pathways to Christ, you'll just deny it-or ignore it-and rally around the Church blah, blah, blah. (Should I post the Pope kissing the Koran?)

The Roman Catholic Church has just about rejected or changed every major Christian doctrine there is-including our Lord Jesus being the only way to God. There is not much of a Christian Church in Rome. Rather it's more like a club. For a Catholic to tell me that MacArthur is a heretic is not very reliable source. It's like someone telling me that Martha Stewart is a great auto mechanic. Thanks but I think I'd like to check this out myself.

Tell me, not that I expect a straight answer, but do you believe that our Lord Jesus is the ONLY way to heaven? You can tell us all the Catholic Church's position on the matter. And this is your opportunity not be bumfuddled and to really put the matter to rest. Just post your source.

And you tell me John MacArthur is a heretic.

What's the point in listening to him if it's only to reinforce what you believe when he agrees and ignore him when he doesn't? It's your authority picking those who agree as your authority. Unless you then recant.

That is how we grow. I am reminded of the honorable Apollos who, when teaching wrong doctrine was taken aside and corrected. He then started teaching correct doctrine. Same way with those teaching the baptism of John. You listen to what someone states, you compare it with the scriptures which you know to be infallible, and then you trust God to guide you all.

There are some things that remain a mystery and you keep your mind open to the truth. Every Christian is on a pilgrimage. Once you find out the truth, you fit that piece of the puzzle into the picture and move on. After all, God said that He would guide us to all truths.

289 posted on 12/21/2010 5:02:47 PM PST by HarleyD
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