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John MacArthur on Mariolatry
Church Mouse ^ | November 18, 2010

Posted on 12/18/2010 6:01:48 PM PST by Gamecock

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To: Natural Law
Oh for crying out loud NL.....don't you have anything better to do with your time than brow beat people with your endless questions over minor imperfections of grammar, Rather than respond to the posts comment or have an opinion of the topic.

That form of questioning does not come from God but surely resembles the tactics used by His arch enemy. Whose side are you on?

261 posted on 12/19/2010 11:09:06 PM PST by caww
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To: metmom

So does Dave Hunt.


262 posted on 12/20/2010 7:17:50 AM PST by dartuser ("The difference between genius and stupidity is genius has limits.")
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To: narses
Gen 3:15 / Rev. 12:1 - the Scriptures begin and end with the woman battling satan. This points to the power of the woman with the seed and teaches us that Jesus and Mary are the new Adam and the new Eve.

Adam and Eve were husband and wife. Do you not see the utter blasphemy in what you are claiming?

263 posted on 12/20/2010 7:21:10 AM PST by dartuser ("The difference between genius and stupidity is genius has limits.")
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To: Deo volente; narses

Oooops, sorry.

That’ll teach me to post while...dumb, I guess.


264 posted on 12/20/2010 8:01:09 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: caww
"Oh for crying out loud NL."

Take it up with the Religion Moderator. If I were to respond to what I thought anyone really meant instead of what they really said I would be attempting the forbidden practice of mind reading. You "It is written" folks sure seem to want it both ways.

Besides, if you are a student of Freud there are no meaningless slips of the tongue.

265 posted on 12/20/2010 8:18:14 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: dartuser

” Do you not see the utter blasphemy in what you are claiming? “

No, please elucidate.


266 posted on 12/20/2010 8:39:56 AM PST by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: Deo volente
1. The conjunction “until” in Scriptural usage expresses what has occurred up to a certain point, and leaves the future aside. Thus God says in the book of Isaias: “I am till you grow old” (Isaias 46:4).

That verse doesn't even make any sense...Where are getting these verses??? Are you making them up???

Here's the real verse...

Isa 46:4 And even to your old age I am he; and even to hoar hairs will I carry you: I have made, and I will bear; even I will carry, and will deliver you.

Again, God says to His Divine Son: “Sit Thou on My right hand until I make Thy enemies Thy foot-stool” (Psalm 109:1). Will the Messias, once His enemies are subdued, relinquish His place of honor?

LOL...Don't condemn God or his scripture just because you don't have a clue what he's talking about...

In itself the statement, “He knew her not till she brought forth her first-born Son,” neither proves Mary’s subsequent virginity nor contains an argument against it. Speaking as he does, the Evangelist in no wise affirms that the abstention mentioned by him ceased after the expiration of the time indicated.

Of course it does...We already have plenty of dictionaries...You don't get to invent another one...

If Joseph abstained from the use of the union preceding the angel’s message, who could think that after Mary had brought forth the Son of God, he should feel less reverence for the temple of the Trinity?

I'm sure Joseph didn't feel any reverence for Mary...Jesus didn't show any reverence for Mary...Mary was Joseph's wife...They had sex...They had kids...

267 posted on 12/20/2010 8:41:15 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Natural Law
If you have at all noted I do not run to the moderator...rather formulate what I post within the guidelines as I understand them and work it out with the posters as I go...more importantly trusting the moderator surely has the judgment to step in if I or anyone else steps over the line...that has been shown and proved time and again.

And it is quite apparent there are occasions where the moderator lets the posts stand... even if not exactly expressed correctly by the posters...as there is the matter of discerning...it is not uncommon for a breakthrough of truth to occur when posters are seemingly aggravated and or have nothing more to offer than their nasty remarks. They then let the truth stand regardless of the outcry of the posters, for a time.

In this case my expression...was simply geared toward that of your consistent knit-picking which gets in the way of the discussions at hand...and causes diversion from the topic..then the battering begins. Do you do this on purpose because it looks that way to me.

And no, I am not assuredly a student of Freud...though familiar with his “stuff”...which is about all the credit I would give his works.

268 posted on 12/20/2010 8:44:00 AM PST by caww
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To: Deo volente
Consider a child below the age of reason. By definition he can’t sin, since sinning requires the ability to reason and the ability to intend to sin. This is indicated by Paul later in the letter to the Romans when he speaks of the time when Jacob and Esau were unborn babies as a time when they “had done nothing either good or bad” (Rom. 9:11).

Maybe by your definition...But not by Paul's, or Gods...You just pointed to a verse about unborn babies and equate it to born, young children...

That's apparently how you guys can worship Mary with a clear conscience...You completely ignore scripture and make up your own...

269 posted on 12/20/2010 8:46:57 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: caww
"And no, I am not assuredly a student of Freud...though familiar with his “stuff”...which is about all the credit I would give his works."

I'm not surprised in the least when people are dismissive of anything they are ignorant of as if saying; were it important I would already know it. Its just like the anti-Catholics who profess to know more than the Magesterium about what Catholics do and don't believe without ever having actually studied it.

How should a Trinitarian Christian respond when some fool or heretic posts "Jesus OR God"?

270 posted on 12/20/2010 8:54:59 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: Vegasrugrat
and later that she was taken up bodily into heaven immediately upon her death (Assumption).

It's worse than you think...They claim that Mary never died...She was 'assumed' to heaven while still alive...They never found her grave and weren't able to collect her bones so they say it must be so...

271 posted on 12/20/2010 8:57:29 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
I think most of the people making the most sincere anti-Catholic noises on this thread more likely trace their religious roots to Charles Fox Parham than John Calvin, though they share many similarities.

That may be true to some extent but I do not underestimate those who have drawn conclusions concerning the catholic faith thru examining catholic beliefs and dogma along side of scripture, which according to Christ Jesus is the final authority over any of mans opinions...including those you mentioned.

Further many of these threads are battling for truth and opposing that which isn't. Anytime these two meet you can be assured their will be hightned posts and passions about ones beliefs.....more importantly for truth to prevail.

Jesus himself went up against the religious teachers of His time as did the apostles....we are called to stand for the truth....of which the enemy of mens souls surely distorts in order to draw people away from the truth which is in Christ.

There are other..."softer" threads where one can share the faith..we all have the freedom to leave any thread if it gets too hot for our taste. However I have found remaining can and does teach us what we are indeed up against in the real world and these posters are not only standing for the truth but are also showing us deceptions and tactics used by He who opposes Gods truth...in action and up close..and yes even personal.

272 posted on 12/20/2010 9:04:07 AM PST by caww
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To: Iscool
They claim that Mary never died...She was 'assumed' to heaven while still alive...

100% false, assuming you mean the official position of the Catholic Church. The Church has never formally defined whether or not she actually died.

If you are talking about individual Catholic's beliefs, I can't speak to that.

273 posted on 12/20/2010 9:07:01 AM PST by WrightWings (Remember, Remember, the Fifth of November...)
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To: Natural Law
How should a Trinitarian Christian respond when some fool or heretic posts "Jesus OR God"?

Generally speaking if you know the persons intent and they are on topic...you just let it go. Easy...especially since the poster is known to also be a "Trinitarian Christian"...as you have named.

274 posted on 12/20/2010 10:09:14 AM PST by caww
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To: caww
"Generally speaking if you know the persons intent and they are on topic...you just let it go."

I do not know anyone's intent and top presume to do so is mind reading. That said, I'll let it go when the anti-Catholics shop trotting out the magnifying glass to examine the punctuation in Scripture and the Catechism in vain attempts to prove Catholicism errant.

275 posted on 12/20/2010 10:24:40 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law
From your post...

top presume? shop trotting?

However.. I will 'presume what you intended' and let these go.

276 posted on 12/20/2010 10:37:08 AM PST by caww
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To: caww; Quix; metmom

Point..game...tsk tsk.


277 posted on 12/20/2010 10:43:13 AM PST by caww
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To: caww

*snicker*


278 posted on 12/20/2010 11:09:02 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: P-Marlowe; Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg; RnMomof7; Alex Murphy; Quix
MacArthur-If you do not address error, if you do not address strange doctrine, damning heresy, this is not love, this is indifference.

Amen and amen.

279 posted on 12/20/2010 5:13:10 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD

I AGREE.


280 posted on 12/20/2010 5:34:35 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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