“So you believe in making your own Canon for your own personal use? Have I understood you correctly?”
Again, way to go, Ben. Such a great example of putting words into other’s mouths. Did he say he made his own personal Canon for his own personal use? I didn’t read that. Did you write that, roamer_1??
Such a common tactic. And so unnecessary were you to engage in honest debate.
tsk, tsk.
Watch yourself, roamer; Ben requires precision of us, but not of himself.
Hoss
“Watch yourself, roamer; Ben requires precision of us, but not of himself”
I said I disagree with the position. But, it is intellectually self-consistant. This is why I respect that position.
There are two consistant Christian positions. One, that the Church was right, accept all the Councils and accept the Canon of the Catholic Church.
Two, reject the canon, reject the councils, accept that you and you alone are to decide what is and ought to be scripture. Take each of the books that are available and make the determination for yourself.
Most Protestants, and others try to adopt a middle position between the two. They accept some of the ecumenical councils, (as many as just one), or they accept only *some* of the books. Protestants are just the latest incarnation of this thought.
By definition Protestants accept 4 ecumenical councils: Nicaea, First Constantinople, Ephesus and Chalcedon. They accept the Canon as set by Luther.
The orthodox accept 7, the first four, plus 2nd, 3rd Constantinople and 2nd Ephesus.
Oriental orthodox rejects Ephesus and Chalcedon. The Assyrians reject Chalcedon. They, however accept the Catholic Canon, as do the orthodox.
The only truly significant contribution of Protestants is that they choose Luther’s canon. That’s basically it. Their claim of addition by subtraction that you can build a better bible by getting rid of books.
“Watch yourself, roamer; Ben requires precision of us, but not of himself”
I said I disagree with the position. But, it is intellectually self-consistant. This is why I respect that position.
There are two consistant Christian positions. One, that the Church was right, accept all the Councils and accept the Canon of the Catholic Church.
Two, reject the canon, reject the councils, accept that you and you alone are to decide what is and ought to be scripture. Take each of the books that are available and make the determination for yourself.
Most Protestants, and others try to adopt a middle position between the two. They accept some of the ecumenical councils, (as many as just one), or they accept only *some* of the books. Protestants are just the latest incarnation of this thought.
By definition Protestants accept 4 ecumenical councils: Nicaea, First Constantinople, Ephesus and Chalcedon. They accept the Canon as set by Luther.
The orthodox accept 7, the first four, plus 2nd, 3rd Constantinople and 2nd Ephesus.
Oriental orthodoxy rejects Ephesus and Chalcedon. The Assyrians reject Chalcedon. They, however accept the Catholic Canon, as do the orthodox.
The only truly significant contribution of Protestants is that they choose Luther’s canon. That’s basically it. Their claim of addition by subtraction that you can build a better bible by getting rid of books.
No, I wrote that I accept the Protestant canon as primary - Those books which everyone accepts absolutely. Beyond that, I judge the book by it's fitting on top of the foundation of the Torah, and it's prophetic content, as fitting upon the foundation of the prophets.