The Catholic Church has it wrong about Mary. So too, did Luther, Calvin and Zwingli, apparently. At least as they're quoted here. Have I got that right?
So answer me the following questions.
1) When did "the reformers" (I use the term loosely to mean anyone from the 16th century onwards) start to get it right about Mary and who was the person who "saw the light", if not the three individuals (Luther et al.,) here mentioned?
2) How do we know that you........or anyone for that matter, is right about Mary whereas Luther et al., were wrong?
Bear in mind that you've already told me that "men are errant". That presumably includes you, too.
It's most amusing seeing you pour cold water on Luther but really, you have no alternative, do you? Faced with the glaring inconsistency between your own position and the words of the reformers, you can either admit that modern day Protestantism has completely wandered off the reservation with regard to Marian theology, or you can stubbornly maintain your own position and insist that Luther had it wrong.
Of course, if one goes with the latter, the obvious question which might pop into one's mind is "what else was he wrong about?" but that's for you to wrestle with.
Your turn to answer...I answered yours.
Why is Rome so intent on creating a man-centered cult of Mary worship? What exactly is the frenetic interest in lifting up an ordinary young woman any more than say, John the Baptist (who after all baptized the Creator of the Universe) or Jacob (who after all wrestled with an angel) or Jonah (who spoke with God directly)? And, look at all of the Catholics around here, they all speak prayers to Mary in their taglines and when they comment on something related. The believers pray to God...the Catholics to Mary. Hmmm.
And the Roman cult would pour cold water on Augustine now if he were standing rebutting the Pelagian (or Semi-Pelagian) heresy it peddles now. What about Augustine? Would you like to embrace his remarks? You mentioned the so-called Fathers, so let’s talk the Pelagian controversy.