Posted on 12/17/2010 7:31:07 AM PST by marshmallow
Is there any that says she didn’t ????
Romans 3:23
“for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,”
No notation of her exemption there. “All” is used here as a universal for all mankind (that’s a logic term for narses’ benefit :).
Hoss
AGREED. Jesus was fully God because He was conceived by the Holy Spirit. He was fully man because He was born of a normal regular albeit innocent and sweet human being.
Thanks Dr. E.
That’s right- just as God saves us. I don’t recall any guidelines being laid down for the Roman Catholic Church to use in God’s name!!
You prove my point.
Hoss
Sorry, but we watch this stuff on TV...The pope is voted on...If God had picked the pope, the vote would be 100% unanimous...
So do you figure the Holy Spirit influenced 51% of the Cardinals (because that's all He needed) and ignored the rest of the Cardinals???
Those sins were committed by men as you say, not God or gods so why a requirement Christ be both man AND God to be a sacrifice?
Indeed as Paul says, ‘If death is through a man, resurrection of the dead is also through a man’.
I don't believe that's why the pics and gifs are so bothersome to some.
I believe it is because the pics and gifs capture most quickly, accurately and most impactfully the deceitfully wicked aspects of our hearts for all of us. THAT'S what some RC's seem to find so intolerable.
They seem to forget, I learned the stuff from Petronski; who used them liberally.
EXCEPT, when IT IS CONTRARY TO SCRIPTURE, of course.
...Which would seem to be most of the time. ; )
** it is heresy as it opposes God’s Word.**
No it isn’t — in Luke’s Gospel —
“I am the handmaid of the Lord. Be it done unto me according to Your Word.”
Now why do you believe that God created the world with only a word? Yet don’t believe that the Son of God became incarnate in the womb of the Blessed Virgin Mary at God’s Word spoken through the Angel, Gabriel?
Selective belief?
BTW, I knew what was meant by “boundaries” — He should have used the word “guidelines” instead. LOL!
“Mary could not die because she was sinless...Yet Jesus died...”
Jesus was executed. He didn’t die of old age.
“I’d say Juvenal lied...400 years after Christians have been worshiping the risen Lord, some guy determines that Mary was raised without tasting death???”
Bishop of Jerusalem at the time. If you believe that Christ has a human and a divine nature then I really don’t see the issue. Sure you can believe that he was a liar, but the Council verified his claim. If you are willing to question Chalcedon on this point, then you might as well deny that Christ had a human and a divine nature. Same difference.
“You guys claim Mary is the only person in Biblical history to ever go to heaven with out tasting death...”
Seeing as I referred to Enoch and Elijah, you ought to read my post again.
“You guys keep talking like that, I might start worshiping Mary as well...I certainly would if I believed that superstition.”
Well certainly. However, I’m not the one who gets to pick and choose what I believe in, calling the same people liars, while at the same time affirming them makes no sense to me.
Really.
So you’d confirm that the 6 ecumenical councils were all contrary to Scripture?
Seeing as religion moderator removed your photos, thank you religion moderator.
One, where do they release voting records for the conclaves?
Two, if two people disagree, does that mean I can claim that the holy spirit is not in you?
I personally think that two people who are in the spirit can disagree.
So Jesus was a sinner?
Yes. I put no stock in councils.
The prophets proclaim the time of the end - When that day comes, there are very few who are saved out of it - It says that many gentiles would grasp the hem (Tszitzit) of a Jew, crying out for knowledge of the Lord... that their fathers had believed in lies...
By far and away, the gentiles are now Christians of one kind or another... So no, I put no stock in the compromise of councils (especially Roman ones).
I will believe the written word, which does not change, and can be proven.
That’s a good question.
Sin is not just between men and men. When I sin the sin doesn’t just affect me and the person that I hurt. Sin also affects God. God despises sin.
If God is just then there must be the appropriate penalty for sin. Since the Fall, we cannot save ourselves, we have become corrupted by sin, and we need God in order that we might be saved from Sin.
This is why God, as Christ the Son, offered himself as a sacrifice so that he would be the passover lamb without blemish, in fulfillment of the prophecies from long ago. Fully God and fully Man, he is the bridge between man and God such that our sins have been atoned.
“I will believe the written word, which does not change, and can be proven.”
So you have the original in front of you today?
The problem with rejecting the authority of the councils is that the only reason you have a bible today is because St. Jerome put all the books together.
Which books do you have in your bible? If, as you say, the words do not change, do you have Maccabees?
I learned the stuff from Petronski; who used them liberally.
ROTFLOL !!!!
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
Close enough - The prophecy proves the Word. There are two witnesses built into every book.
The problem with rejecting the authority of the councils is that the only reason you have a bible today is because St. Jerome put all the books together.
Baloney.
Which books do you have in your bible? If, as you say, the words do not change, do you have Maccabees?
I use the Protestant canon primarily (because it is made of the books which are absolutely accepted by all), but yes, I do have Maccabees, and have studied it quite a bit, as with the many other books which might even remotely be attributed to the prophets/agents of YHWH.
True, the Roman Catholic church is not mentioned in the bible. However, Christ does explicitly affirm Petrine authority.
You *could* claim that the Roman Catholics have strayed from St. Peter, but that would lead to two questions. One, Christ promised that the gates of hell would not prevail against his Church. This means that the Church must exist in some form today.
Two, as far as I’m aware, only one Church affirms Petrine authority.
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