Posted on 12/17/2010 7:31:07 AM PST by marshmallow
Yes, a cradle Catholic and brought up in it. I didn’t see it when I was in it, because that’s all I knew. But who the Son sets free, is free indeed! Thank YOU, JESUS!
Not ture.....Mary got ahead of the game and that's why Jesus rebuked her then. "My time has not yet come". She stepped out where she shouldn't have...she knew he was to be the savior of the world...but there was nothing she could do to hasten that. Trying to get her son to reveal who He was prematurely is pretty much a mother meddling in her sons life...we all have done this as moms and though meaning well we too have been rebuked for meddling ahead of them. MAry was simply being a mom...
Well I will rejoice with you for Him leading you back to Himself..what freedom you must know!
I have a friend in Cal. who also was raised Catholic...we use to work together and in time she gave her life to Christ. I learned a little about the catholic beliefs then..and recall how canned her statements were...and I was still relatively a young Christian...but “thirsted hard after God”. Even then I was soaking up the scriptures like a hungry lion cub might...and He used it with her.
And guess what! Today she is witnessing to a beloved Jewish friend of hers....his understanding of what a Christian is comes from the catholics he has known..so she’s in a perfect position to tell him what’s wrong and what’s true...and he is listening with amazement! He has said he has not met a Christian like her who seems to really understand God. lol......(note: I think she’s also falling in love with this guy but he doesn’t know it.)
As a psychologist, the level of utter DENIAL involved is rivaled only, in my experience, by decades long addicted alcoholics. Evidently addictionis to idolatry, blasphemy etc. are every bit as demonized and tough to crack.
As a psychiatric nurse, let me say that I have never ever seen any psychologist in clinical practice who was a bigot against Catholics. Nor did any psychologist, nor psychiatrist, ever indicate that s/he thought of the Rosary as addictive behavior. Nor have I seen any Christian psychiatrist or psychologist in practice EVER describe any client's Catholic belief and practice as an addiction to idolatry, blasphemy, or demonic.
These are some of the reasons why I find it hard to believe that there is any truth to the assertion, made multiple times, that there is any psychology behind those bigoted statements. More likely, in my rather wide exposure to mental health professionals, in my capacity as a nurse, there is an attempted masquerade taking place. Not very successfully, nevertheless.
God have mercy. More parlor psychology.
Who gave you that interpretation? Where in scripture does it say that Mary was "Trying to get her son to reveal who He was prematurely"?
Thanks, that’s an excellent post. Amazingly, the one place these proddies disagree with their leaders, teachers, iconoclasts, and heretic masters is in the leaders praise of the Holy Mother of God.
They just can’t abide a humble Jewish woman being elevated by God, by the Son of God, and by the Holy Spirit. Their outrage beggars description. *sigh*
Who told you that? Of course she's not..she was His mother. He never appointed her as a disciple nor an apostle. She was told about her son thru the angel...and she jumped the gun later trying to get him to show himself for who he was...He rebuked her for doing so.
Quote Luther if you like...as is the custom of catholics to quote writers rather than scriptures they have examined themselves. But I do not necessarily adhere to Luthers writings, though there are some interesting opinions and conclusions he drew.
You see this is the huge difference between catholics and those of the faith...we do use the scriptures as our point of reference and the final authority for truth... and if writings do not stand the test of scripture than they are false until proven otherwise. But using Luther is not convincing for me and likely for others who know Gods word.
We rather adhere to Christ and all which He says...
John 10:9: “And being made perfect, HE became the Author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey Him.” “I AM the Door: by Me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture”
14:6..... Jesus said to him, “ I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes unto the Father, BUT BY ME...(Did you note there is no mention whatsoever of Mary..not even a whisper)
Who are we to believe?... The Church who leads people away from the Son or the Son who leads people to the Father? There is but one way and it is by Christ alone, not the Church. The true Church proclaims Christ alone by faith and by the Scripture. There is no Queen ...just our King Jesus.
That is correct...we don't abide by false doctrine which promotes Mary as mediator, and equal in par to Christ or and above Him...let alone co-regent with the Trinity, of which she is not. This however your church teaches wrongfully. We do however elevate Christ to His place of King of Kings and Lord of Lords...that of Master and coming King...that of Emmanuel, God with us....that of Savior and the Almighty God...and of Christ who is above all things both in Heaven and Earth...and that includes over Mary...who needed her savior just as she said..." of God...MY SAVIOR.
Read it Judith...and pray for understanding. You know where it is if you have any familarity with scripture.
Well even catholics say this is true so your arguement is with your own.
Well then you haven’t been exposed to much if you haven’t heard or seen this...but then again maybe your weren’t told if your reaction to anything that might be offensive to catholics is like it is here on these threads...and is your conduct in the workplace...your opinion would clearly be avoided by any extreme necessary so as not to disturb the patient.
“. . . a self-appointed leader of the church in the fifth century, this comes up at that time. There’s a discussion about Mary being assumed into heaven. So already this goddess cult has imposed itself on poor Mary. And it was at first considered heretical. There was no evidence for it historically, there’s no evidence for it biblically, obviously. So the earliest appearance of this idea is in a very apocryphal work, an unreliable work like the gospel of Judas and hundreds of others. It was called Transitus Getti Marii (???) and it was in the fifth century it was denounced as a heresy. So when it first showed up in the fifth century, the 400′s, it is denounced as a heresy. But things began to develop over the years in regard to Mary. Praying to Mary arrives in 600…
‘Mother of God’
MacArthur traces the origins of this title to Alexander, the 4th century Bishop of Alexandria:
Goddess worship, the very outset, the Holy Roman Empire comes into existence in the fourth century, early in the century. This mother of God comes in rapidly by the year 431 and the Council of Ephesus and 451, The Council of Chalcedon, this is established. She is to be called the mother of God, this contributes to centuries and centuries and centuries of accumulated deification of Mary. She becomes equal to God. And though the Church tries its best to wiggle out of this, it tries its best to deny this, the truth of the matter is, she really is superior to God and superior to Christ as becomes very evident in what they say and in how they portray her in cathedrals all over the world. She rules in heaven as queen, sovereign, saving, sanctifying, sympathizing, all this power is given to her that belongs only to God.
A book in 1993 had about a thousand appearances of Mary that were documented thirty times in the eighteenth century, 200 times in the nineteenth century and 450 times in the twentieth century. So they are escalating at a rapid rate. Cardinal Meisner claims that Mary brought Christ to Europe from Fatima and one would ask where was he before that if she brought him? She visited a farm in Georgia, an office building in Clearwater, Florida, and a subway wall recently in Mexico City. She comes so often and she comes to the down and out and she comes to the little children, she comes to the peasant people and this validates the fact that she is this loving, sympathetic, merciful, tender-hearted compassionate person … The only person if there is someone really appearing to them is right out of hell. This is demonic, for sure….for sure. But what assurances and what cleverness the demons offer for the deceived and the damned with their hellish counterfeits.
The point is, you go to Mary because Jesus can’t resist Mary. And Mary, because she’s so merciful, can’t resist you. Mary, claims the Church, can persuade God to grant what He otherwise wouldn’t grant …
You’re really banging on steel if you go to God yourself. Go to Mary and He listens to Mary …
You see, Roman Catholicism is pagan goddess worship, completely distracted. God is reinvented as judgmental, harsh. Christ is reinvented as indifferent. Everybody worships Mary …
John Paul II MacArthur tells us of the importance that Mary played in the late pope’s life from his childhood through to his papacy. He reads the congregation excerpts from some of John Paul II’s Marian thoughts and says:
Now that…that’s a pretty bold statement. She is not only the mediatrix of all grace, the channel through which all grace comes, the one to whom we go for everything, but she is even involved in our redemption …
“. . . a self-appointed leader of the church in the fifth century, this comes up at that time. There’s a discussion about Mary being assumed into heaven. So already this goddess cult has imposed itself on poor Mary. And it was at first considered heretical. There was no evidence for it historically, there’s no evidence for it biblically, obviously. So the earliest appearance of this idea is in a very apocryphal work, an unreliable work like the gospel of Judas and hundreds of others. It was called Transitus Getti Marii (???) and it was in the fifth century it was denounced as a heresy. So when it first showed up in the fifth century, the 400′s, it is denounced as a heresy. But things began to develop over the years in regard to Mary. Praying to Mary arrives in 600…
‘Mother of God’
MacArthur traces the origins of this title to Alexander, the 4th century Bishop of Alexandria:
Goddess worship, the very outset, the Holy Roman Empire comes into existence in the fourth century, early in the century. This mother of God comes in rapidly by the year 431 and the Council of Ephesus and 451, The Council of Chalcedon, this is established. She is to be called the mother of God, this contributes to centuries and centuries and centuries of accumulated deification of Mary. She becomes equal to God. And though the Church tries its best to wiggle out of this, it tries its best to deny this, the truth of the matter is, she really is superior to God and superior to Christ as becomes very evident in what they say and in how they portray her in cathedrals all over the world. She rules in heaven as queen, sovereign, saving, sanctifying, sympathizing, all this power is given to her that belongs only to God.
A book in 1993 had about a thousand appearances of Mary that were documented thirty times in the eighteenth century, 200 times in the nineteenth century and 450 times in the twentieth century. So they are escalating at a rapid rate. Cardinal Meisner claims that Mary brought Christ to Europe from Fatima and one would ask where was he before that if she brought him? She visited a farm in Georgia, an office building in Clearwater, Florida, and a subway wall recently in Mexico City. She comes so often and she comes to the down and out and she comes to the little children, she comes to the peasant people and this validates the fact that she is this loving, sympathetic, merciful, tender-hearted compassionate person … The only person if there is someone really appearing to them is right out of hell. This is demonic, for sure….for sure. But what assurances and what cleverness the demons offer for the deceived and the damned with their hellish counterfeits.
The point is, you go to Mary because Jesus can’t resist Mary. And Mary, because she’s so merciful, can’t resist you. Mary, claims the Church, can persuade God to grant what He otherwise wouldn’t grant …
You’re really banging on steel if you go to God yourself. Go to Mary and He listens to Mary …
You see, Roman Catholicism is pagan goddess worship, completely distracted. God is reinvented as judgmental, harsh. Christ is reinvented as indifferent. Everybody worships Mary …
John Paul II MacArthur tells us of the importance that Mary played in the late pope’s life from his childhood through to his papacy. He reads the congregation excerpts from some of John Paul II’s Marian thoughts and says:
Now that…that’s a pretty bold statement. She is not only the mediatrix of all grace, the channel through which all grace comes, the one to whom we go for everything, but she is even involved in our redemption …
To: presently no screen name; BenKenobi
narses provided the smoking gun, Ben. This is quoted from narses’ post:
“Hear all our prayers, O Mother, [Blasphemously usurping God's role]
and grant them all. [Hideously blasphemous God-like powers]
We are all your children: [blasphemously usurping God-like parenthood]
Grant the prayers of [YOUR] children.”[blasphemously usurping God-like prayer-granting powers]
1. “hear all our prayers....” Sounds pretty straightforward to me.
2. “We are all your children: Grant the prayers of your children.”
We are HER children? HER CHILDREN? We are God’s children and His ALONE.
Now... You were saying something about not praying to Mary??
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You can be sure, there will ALWAYS [Until Jesus returns] be sufficient weasel words in the Vatican DAFFYNITIONARY, for RC's to rationalize the horrific idolatries, blasphemies and heresies in Mary's name.
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As a psychologist, the level of utter DENIAL involved is rivaled only, in my experience, by decades long addicted alcoholics. Evidently addictionis to idolatry, blasphemy etc. are every bit as demonized and tough to crack.
born of a woman
JOHN THE BAPTIST
WAS THE GREATEST ON EARTH.
Jesus’ Mother and Brothers
46While he was still speaking to the people, behold,(BR) his mother and his(BS) brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him.[a] 48But he replied to the man who told him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" 49And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers! 50For(BT) whoever(BU) does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother." ESV
Obedience Is Thicker than Blood 46-47While he was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers showed up. They were outside trying to get a message to him. Someone told Jesus, "Your mother and brothers are out here, wanting to speak with you." 48-50Jesus didn't respond directly, but said, "Who do you think my mother and brothers are?" He then stretched out his hand toward his disciples. "Look closely. These are my mother and brothers. Obedience is thicker than blood. The person who obeys my heavenly Father's will is my brother and sister and mother." THE MESSAGE
The True Family of Jesus 46 As Jesus was speaking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him. 47 Someone told Jesus, “Your mother and your brothers are outside, and they want to speak to you.”[g] 48 Jesus asked, “Who is my mother? Who are my brothers?” 49 Then he pointed to his disciples and said, “Look, these are my mother and brothers. 50 Anyone who does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother!”--NEW LIVING TRANSLATION
. . . obviously, other than Christ Himself . . .
I guess y'all think Mary was hatched under a sacred rock--in Rome?
“. . . a self-appointed leader of the church in the fifth century, this comes up at that time. There’s a discussion about Mary being assumed into heaven. So already this goddess cult has imposed itself on poor Mary. And it was at first considered heretical. There was no evidence for it historically, there’s no evidence for it biblically, obviously. So the earliest appearance of this idea is in a very apocryphal work, an unreliable work like the gospel of Judas and hundreds of others. It was called Transitus Getti Marii (???) and it was in the fifth century it was denounced as a heresy. So when it first showed up in the fifth century, the 400′s, it is denounced as a heresy. But things began to develop over the years in regard to Mary. Praying to Mary arrives in 600…
‘Mother of God’
MacArthur traces the origins of this title to Alexander, the 4th century Bishop of Alexandria:
Goddess worship, the very outset, the Holy Roman Empire comes into existence in the fourth century, early in the century. This mother of God comes in rapidly by the year 431 and the Council of Ephesus and 451, The Council of Chalcedon, this is established. She is to be called the mother of God, this contributes to centuries and centuries and centuries of accumulated deification of Mary. She becomes equal to God. And though the Church tries its best to wiggle out of this, it tries its best to deny this, the truth of the matter is, she really is superior to God and superior to Christ as becomes very evident in what they say and in how they portray her in cathedrals all over the world. She rules in heaven as queen, sovereign, saving, sanctifying, sympathizing, all this power is given to her that belongs only to God.
A book in 1993 had about a thousand appearances of Mary that were documented thirty times in the eighteenth century, 200 times in the nineteenth century and 450 times in the twentieth century. So they are escalating at a rapid rate. Cardinal Meisner claims that Mary brought Christ to Europe from Fatima and one would ask where was he before that if she brought him? She visited a farm in Georgia, an office building in Clearwater, Florida, and a subway wall recently in Mexico City. She comes so often and she comes to the down and out and she comes to the little children, she comes to the peasant people and this validates the fact that she is this loving, sympathetic, merciful, tender-hearted compassionate person … The only person if there is someone really appearing to them is right out of hell. This is demonic, for sure….for sure. But what assurances and what cleverness the demons offer for the deceived and the damned with their hellish counterfeits.
The point is, you go to Mary because Jesus can’t resist Mary. And Mary, because she’s so merciful, can’t resist you. Mary, claims the Church, can persuade God to grant what He otherwise wouldn’t grant …
You’re really banging on steel if you go to God yourself. Go to Mary and He listens to Mary …
You see, Roman Catholicism is pagan goddess worship, completely distracted. God is reinvented as judgmental, harsh. Christ is reinvented as indifferent. Everybody worships Mary …
John Paul II MacArthur tells us of the importance that Mary played in the late pope’s life from his childhood through to his papacy. He reads the congregation excerpts from some of John Paul II’s Marian thoughts and says:
Now that…that’s a pretty bold statement. She is not only the mediatrix of all grace, the channel through which all grace comes, the one to whom we go for everything, but she is even involved in our redemption …
Please, just reading those words sullies my soul. Those five words betray a craven mindset and a corrupted church.
Please allow an editorial correction . . .
Those five words betray a craven mindset and a corrupted church [bureaucratic political, power-mongering pile of pseudo theological elites, pontificating endlessly heretical horrors from hell while pretending to be an infallible magicsterical leading the Vatican Alice In Wonderland School of Theology and Reality Mangling] .
Where’s the jawbone of a donkey when needed?
That stage set needs some major rearranging.
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