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To: caww
http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1992/9212fea2.asp

Every disciple will share Jesus' royal dignity. But Mary is the first and holiest disciple, "full of grace" and first to believe in him (Luke 1:28,45). She is even--unimaginable dignity!--the very Mother of her Lord (1:43). This translates to Queen, if human language and divine revelation have any meaning at all. Although Martin Luther was somewhat nervous about applying the title "Queen of Heaven" to Mary, he admits that "it is a true enough name and yet does not make her a goddess."(Luther's Works, 21:327.) In a sermon Luther preached on July 2, 1532, the Feast of the Visitation, he said, "She, the Lady above heaven and earth, must...have a heart so humble that she might have no shame in washing the swaddling clothes or preparing a bath for St. John the Baptist, like a servant girl. What humility! It would surely have been more just to have arranged for her a golden coach, pulled by 4,000 horses, and to cry and proclaim as the carriage proceeded: 'Here passes the woman who is raised far above all women, indeed above the whole human race.'" Five years later, preaching on the same feast day, Luther said, "She was not filled with pride by this praise...this immense praise: 'No woman is like unto thee! Thou art more than an empress or a queen...blessed above all nobility, wisdom, or saintliness!'"(Ibid., 36:208, 45:107.)
623 posted on 12/18/2010 6:44:42 PM PST by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: Deo volente

Thanks, that’s an excellent post. Amazingly, the one place these proddies disagree with their leaders, teachers, iconoclasts, and heretic masters is in the leaders praise of the Holy Mother of God.

They just can’t abide a humble Jewish woman being elevated by God, by the Son of God, and by the Holy Spirit. Their outrage beggars description. *sigh*


628 posted on 12/18/2010 7:06:44 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Deo volente
Mary is the first and holiest disciple

Who told you that? Of course she's not..she was His mother. He never appointed her as a disciple nor an apostle. She was told about her son thru the angel...and she jumped the gun later trying to get him to show himself for who he was...He rebuked her for doing so.

Quote Luther if you like...as is the custom of catholics to quote writers rather than scriptures they have examined themselves. But I do not necessarily adhere to Luthers writings, though there are some interesting opinions and conclusions he drew.

You see this is the huge difference between catholics and those of the faith...we do use the scriptures as our point of reference and the final authority for truth... and if writings do not stand the test of scripture than they are false until proven otherwise. But using Luther is not convincing for me and likely for others who know Gods word.

We rather adhere to Christ and all which He says...

John 10:9: “And being made perfect, HE became the Author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey Him.” “I AM the Door: by Me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture”

14:6..... Jesus said to him, “ I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes unto the Father, BUT BY ME...(Did you note there is no mention whatsoever of Mary..not even a whisper)

Who are we to believe?... The Church who leads people away from the Son or the Son who leads people to the Father? There is but one way and it is by Christ alone, not the Church. The true Church proclaims Christ alone by faith and by the Scripture. There is no Queen ...just our King Jesus.

629 posted on 12/18/2010 7:19:18 PM PST by caww
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