Because of the Protestant Reformers Beliefs On Mary

Why I Am a Catholic ^ | 12/16/10 | Frank Weathers

[BenKenobi]

Ok, good.

Sorry to impinge on your time. I wasn’t sure where you were coming from. We are called to support one another, and it is important that Christians do not go at it alone.

[John Leland 1789]

"Really? You find Latin dull?"

I find it unecessary, and just a manner some folks have to try to impress others, and attempt to make others think there is some kind of higher spirituality in it.

I'm not impressed.

[narses]

“It’s common knowledge Catholics/THE POPE all pray to Mary.”

Here ya go!

My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.

Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen

Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.

Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.

Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.

Amen.

[BenKenobi]

Then all I can suggest is that you try to do so with ours.

Good luck sir.

[John Leland 1789]

"All the historical evidence we have shows that the Bishop of Rome was founded with St. Peter and that the office of the Pope has gradually came to greater understanding over time."

No, not all evidence. Only the evidence revised to prop up the RCC system.

[caww]

But here we are again...talking about Mary rather than on what she said of God...it always goes back to Mary.. because catholics are so entrenched with teachings about her that they cannot discern Gods rightful place.

The same thing of Christ’s birth...all catholics speak of or discuss if or not she was a virgin...was she this or that. His birth is about Jesus Christ but catholics tack that onto all their “other” saints and practices before them in order to justify their behavior...which is not what God intructs. All POWER and all things were given to Christ and He alone.

That one verse she relates to herself is really very weak to all the Glory she was giving to God...you should do likewise and just forgo expecting Mary to do anything for you...it was not a place of power given to her by God...and frankly I am glad after His birth we hear no more of Mary...God knew mens hearts would attempt to upsurp His son thru her...Even in the upper room , with Mary present and power was given to the deciples...she was not included...so why catholics believe otherwise lays fully on the alter of catholic church teachings...because it keeps it’s members otherwise occupied from Christ himself and makes them dependant on it’s leadership and filling the coffers of the catholic church leaderships pockets.

[presently no screen name]

Be it deception, or not, it would be wise for you to at least attempt to understand what is being presented to you.

Take your plate of deception you are offering me - I spent TOO MANY YEARS eating from it. Now I say to you - it isn't wise to offer deception unto others.

[Vegasrugrat]

Very good advice!

[Quix]

Quixicated:

To: presently no screen name; BenKenobi

narses provided the smoking gun, Ben. This is quoted from narses’ post:

“Hear all our prayers, O Mother, [Blasphemously usurping God's role]
and grant them all. [Hideously blasphemous God-like powers]
We are all your children: [blasphemously usurping God-like parenthood]
Grant the prayers of [YOUR] children.”[blasphemously usurping God-like prayer-granting powers]

1. “hear all our prayers....” Sounds pretty straightforward to me.

2. “We are all your children: Grant the prayers of your children.”

We are HER children? HER CHILDREN? We are God’s children and His ALONE.

Now... You were saying something about not praying to Mary??
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Hoss
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You can be sure, there will ALWAYS [Until Jesus returns] be sufficient weasel words in the Vatican DAFFYNITIONARY, for RC's to rationalize the horrific idolatries, blasphemies and heresies in Mary's name.
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As a psychologist, the level of utter DENIAL involved is rivaled only, in my experience, by decades long addicted alcoholics. Evidently addictionis to idolatry, blasphemy etc. are every bit as demonized and tough to crack.

[narses]

“..... because catholics are so entrenched with teachings about her that they cannot discern Gods rightful place.”

Blah, blah, blah.

So much for the mote in my eye, how is that Beam of yours doing? What denomination are you claiming as the One True Faith? Or like so many, are you afraid to name the sect you adhere to?

[narses]

My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.

Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen

Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.

Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.

Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.

Amen.

[Quix]

“Son behold your Mother, Mother behold your Son.”
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Yet again, we observe the

Vatican Alice in Wonderland School of Theology and Reality Mangling

Take a perfectly fine splinter of a toothpick of Scripture and mangle it and reality about it 1,000,000,000% out of whack and out of all remotest reality.

Yet again they construct a Taipei 101 Tower on the foundation of a splinter of a toothpick of a Scripture

And then they have the brazenness to pretend THAT MAKES SENSE!

And they procede to get all huffy when sensible sane Proddys don't join them in such delusions!
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May God have mercy on such deluded souls.

[Quix]

No Thanks.

On both counts.

I don’t subscribe to the Goddess of Luck

any more than I subscribe to the false caricatured Mary goddess.

[narses]

“......you brought the conversation back to Mary herslef......”

Since that was in answer to your post about Mary (wherein I agreed with you) it is odd that you find fault with my question. I note you avoided answering my question, as so many proddies have done on this and other threads.

Since you ignored that question, let me try another, what denomination do you adhere to, worship with or claim membership in?

[presently no screen name]

Here ya go!

Prayer of Pope Pius XII

Enraptured by the splendor of your heavenly beauty, and impelled by the anxieties of the world, we cast ourselves into your arms, O Immaculate Mother of Jesus and our Mother, Mary, confident of finding in your most loving heart appeasement of our ardent desires, and a safe harbor from the tempests which beset us on every side.

Though degraded by our faults and overwhelmed by infinite misery, we admire and praise the peerless richness of sublime gifts with which God has filled you, above every other mere creature, from the first moment of your conception until the day on which, after your assumption into heaven, He crowned you Queen of the Universe.

O crystal fountain of faith, bathe our minds with the eternal truths! O fragrant Lily of all holiness, captivate our hearts with your heavenly perfume! O Conqueress of evil and death, inspire in us a deep horror of sin, which makes the soul detestable to God and a slave of hell!

O well-beloved of God, hear the ardent cry which rises up from every heart. Bend tenderly over our aching wounds. Convert the wicked, dry the tears of the afflicted and oppressed, comfort the poor and humble, quench hatreds, sweeten harshness, safeguard the flower of purity in youth, protect the holy Church, make all men feel the attraction of Christian goodness. In your name, resounding harmoniously in heaven, may they recognize that they are brothers, and that the nations are members of one family, upon which may there shine forth the sun of a universal and sincere peace.

Receive, O most sweet Mother, our humble supplications, and above all obtain for us that, one day, happy with you, we may repeat before your throne that hymn which today is sung on earth around your altars: You are all-beautiful, O Mary! You are the glory, you are the joy, you are the honor of our people! Amen.

[narses]

Truly beautiful, thanks for sharing.

[narses]

[caww]

She is a mother for all of us, especially those who have lost ours. :)

Your little smiley face reveals much.... I have often thought many catholics see Mary as a replacement of affection for the mothers and wives they no longer have. The images of her fills the place their mother or wife had. A feminine creature the church sanctions as readily available to them...which encourages Mary worship. But sadly Mary is no more available to them then their own mothers or wives are. They are all hopefully safely with the Lord.

[Quix]

And who
"exalts alternate deities"?
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UNCOUNTED
MILLIONS OF
ROMAN CATHOLICS
.
ALL OVER THE WORLD
.
AT THE ENCOURAGEMENT
AND
FACILITATION OF
THE VATICAN
.
REGARDLESS
.
of
all the weasel words
documents
&
rationalizations
to the contrary.
.
Trumped-up
plausible deniability
DOESN'T WASH
WITH GOD ALMIGHTY.
...
SELF-JUSTIFICATION
DOESN'T WASH WITH GOD ALMIGHTY!
.
RITUAL DOESN'T CUT IT
WITH GOD ALMIGHTY!
.
EXCUSES
DON'T CUT IT
WITH GOD ALMIGHTY
.
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In some countries,
it is a reasonable guess
that of the 20-30% practicing Roman Catholics,
the percentage who
EXALT ALTERNATE DEITIES
would be 85-95% or more.
In other countries, it might be
as low as 15-50%
Sometimes, on FR, it appears to be
90%. Other times, 70%
Sometimes, maybe as low as 30-50%.
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Below are a list of brazen examples
from a very popular devotional
VERY SANCTIONED, APPROVED AND ENCOURAGED
by the Vatican system & hierarchy.
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Some have said that the language below
is 'merely' hyperbolic adoration.
I don't think that's what
GOD ALMIGHTY WOULD LABEL IT.
I'm convinced that
GOD ALMIGHTY
CALLS IT
BRAZEN DEMONICALLY
FACILITATED, ENCOURAGED & LED
IDOLATRY AND BLASPHEMY.
He doesn't usually mince words.
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WERE MARY HERSELF POSTING ON FR
I BELIEVE HER DENOUNCIATIONS OF SUCH
WOULD BE MUCH MORE FIERCE THAN MINE!
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I was involved in a house church
famous all over Southern California
for its deliverance ministry and follow-up.
Mental hospitals and pastors sent their worst cases
to us--the ones they gave up on.
By God's grace, Christ's Blood and Holy Spirit
operating in servant-hearted love through
a lot of dedicated people who opened their homes
to such folks,
many were set free--lastingly free.
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I learned a lot in that church.
One of the things that I OBSERVED,
I see a LOT hereon.
there's a characteristic
TYPE OF RESPONSE
WHEN A PERSON AWASH
IN DEMONIC INFLUENCES
(I don't think it matters
whether they are resident
or hovering around)
GETS CHALLENGED, EXHORTED,
HAS THEIR PRIDE PRICKED.
I see a LOT of that TYPE of response, hereon.
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Below are the examples
of exalting other deities.
They are real.
They are serious.
They are owned,
operated in,
manifested in,
heart-felt wallowed in
by millions of Roman Catholics around the world.
Pretending otherwise does not change the facts.
White washing it with magicsterical diplospeak
doesn't change the facts.
Rationalizing it with 101 weasel words
doesn't change the facts.
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the FACTS are easy enough to see below
for anyone with
more discernment than a gnat's.
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Those reading this with any consciousness above comotose
no longer have any excuse.
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Holy Spirit will be nudging, urging, forsaking of all such
--ALL HINT OF SUCH--
IGNORING HIS LEADING, NUDGING, URGING
in such matters can be spiritually deadly.
Very spiritually deadly.
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ONCE AGAIN,
just a small part of
THE EVIDENCE: .
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Here's the title:

http://www.amazon.com/Ten-Meditations-Mysteries-Rosary-Ferraro/dp/0819801577/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1272938246&sr=1-2

And it carries the official sanctions of:

ni•hil ob•stat
n.
1. Roman Catholic Church An attestation by a church censor that a book contains nothing damaging to faith or morals.
2. Official approval, especially of an artistic work.

WITH RICHARD CARDINAL CUSHING’S IMPRIMATUR

Let me track down the brief portion of quotes upthread . . .

Here they are:

However, as we've seen through a variety of sources--a pile of them in Ferraro's manual about the Rosary--the Roman Catholic et al/Vatican Edifice disagrees with a lot of the claims of RC's hereon to the contrary.

p.32
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[Quixicated emphases below]
Mary is crowned Queen of heaven and earth, dispenser of all graces . . .

p32
4 - She became Queen of Purgatory, where she exercises her power as mediatrix in behalf of these suffering souls.

5 - She became Queen of us sinners, to assist us through the dangers of this life and to help us in difficulties.

6 - She became the ruler of hell, that trembles at her slightest gaze and is defeated by her power.

"Just as a rock extracted from earth will precipitate into the abyss, so will man, left without Mary's help, quickly slide toward hell." --Richard of St Victor

p37
Sacred Heart of Jesus, Thy kingdom come; Thy kingdom come through Mary! --Partial Indulgence

p41
"Mary is the tree of life to those who grasp her, and he is happy who hold her fast." --Prov. 3:18

p43
1 - "Hail Mary, beloved daughter of the Father, Mother of the Divine Son, Spouse of the Holy Spirit, complement of the most august Trinity!"

p45
6 - To her was granted grace greater than that conferred upon all others, 'that she might vanquish sin in every respect.'
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[Qx: I guess Christ's vanquishing sin was unnecessary--or ineffectual without Mary's assistance?]

p46
7 - "Mary is the dawn of God because, just as the dawn marks the end of darkness and the beginning of day, so Mary indicates the end of vices and the beginning of virtue."
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[Qx: I guess Christ's conquering on The Cross and HIS conquering trip to hell were unncessary?]

9 - God loved Mary so much that He gave her the keys to His heart. 'No one can go to God without Mary drawing him.'
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[Qx: I guess Holy Spirit has been relegated to a 'Walter Mitty' role as spouse of Mary? That's SOME POWER to cancel & take over HOLY SPIRIT'S role to draw men to God!]

p47
4 - "Mary, trusting in the word of the angel, destroyed the sin Eve committed by trusting in the serpent.'
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[Qx: Evidently, she beat Christ to the job of vanquishing sin!]

5 - "She desired the safety of everyone, went in search of it, and obtained it; it was also through her that this salvation was wrought."
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[QX: What an unnecessary waste of precious Blood and suffering on THE CROSS!!!/sar]

p47
10 - "As Noah's Ark saved all the animals that entered it, so Mary saves all the souls that entrust themselves to her care."

p50
8 - "If she were not so holy as she is, how could God appoint her to be the ladder of Paradise, the advocate of the world, meatrix between HIm and us?"

p50
4 - "By becoming Mother of God, Mary belongs to the order of hypostatic union; hence she participates IN the infinite sanctity of God."

[Deo volente]

“...frankly I am glad after His birth we hear no more of Mary.”

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Sorry to disappoint you, but we DO hear more of Mary after Jesus’ birth. Are you forgetting the finding of the Child in the temple, and the wedding feast at Cana?
We also hear of her during the Lord's Passion, when she is standing at the foot of the cross and Jesus entrusts her to the care of John.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%202:42-51;&version=NKJV;

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%202:1-2:11&version=KJ21

John, Chapter 19:
25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene. 26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! 27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.