Posted on 12/17/2010 7:31:07 AM PST by marshmallow
Yes, we are her children. I already posted on this awhile back. “Son behold your Mother, Mother behold your Son.”
Not sure why this is difficult to grasp. She is a mother for all of us, especially those who have lost ours. :)
Well of course, she would have to be able to hear us, when we ask for her, no? That’s really not the issue at all.
Except to you, it’s prayer unless they are physically present.
As for your snippet, I encourage you to read all of the prayer and understand. I don’t *expect* that of you, but it’s your challenge.
Blessings.
Here ya go Hoss, another “smokin gun”, lol!
My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.
Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen
Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.
Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.
Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.
Amen.
You’re done. When you have to resort to this, you’ve lost the argument:
“Indeed no! On the other hand you might try taking some basic educational courses in English and in Logic. Most community colleges have remedial courses at very low cost. Then, after you are able to use the language we ought to have in common in a rational way, let’s try this discussion again. Until then:”
Personal attack much? Speaking of logic (of which you are lecturing me), that sounds an awful lot like the ol’ Ad Hominem.
Congratulations.
Now try sticking to the point.
Hoss
Beating around a bush is for those who need to. It’s common knowledge Catholics/THE POPE all pray to Mary. And I know from personal experience - so any tantrums that Catholics don’t are really silly.
“You’re done.”
Nope, still here “hoss”.
Do try checking into those remedial classes, you show much promise.
Oh really...prove it in scripture.
in addition to our own prayers
Would appear your prayers are good enough.
The Rosary includes the Our Father.
Once God is mentioned, everywhere else is praying to Mary in the Rosary...the focus is on her.
You seem hung up on the fact that she is not here in the flesh presently.
Not at all hung up..it's a fact she is not alive here on earth. She is safely with the Lord.
I don’t understand this at all. You believe that the Holy Spirit is inside of you, helping you to pray, and that Christ is right there beside you.
You are right...you do not understand nor can you as long as you believe and practice idolatry and continue to dishonor Christ by praying to Mary. You are blinded by your practices which Jesus clearly said not to do...and which the scripture says if your do these you will become like the idols you worship...blind and cannot hear...the truth.
The catechism says that we can ask any of the Saints to pray for us to God.
Well of course it does...where did you get the Catechism from? Romes teachings and their bondage of it's members to things taught by men... which oppose the clear teachings of what God instructed...and keep it's members blind to the truth..just as they did in the middle ages.
How do you know that Mary or any other human that has gone to Heaven can hear your prayer? If millions of people on Earth are asking her to pray for them, can she hear them all? If so, wouldn’t that require her to be omnipotent or omnipresent?
As you posted, her “Magnificat” points us to the Lord. She praises God for His goodness and blessings. She also says,
“He Who is Mighty has done great things for me.”
Jerome’s Latin, corrupted
Vaticanus (Greek text) corruped
Rome’s Greek texts came from North Africa where they were being corrupted by mystics for 300 years before Constantine ordered 300 copies and Eusebius filled the order.
Jerome wouldn’t have had any interest in the Latin that came from further east, because he had to produce a Latin text favoring the Vatican.
The later English translators knew the difference between the two lines or genre of Greek manuscripts, and they knew of the corruption of North Africa (Alexandrai). So they shucked the corrupted line until 1881 when two Roman Catholics. Wescott and Hort, snuck corrupt manuscripts into the revision committees in London for the Revised Version.
Exactly! Good Post..and spot on.
You dull it real good by adding all those Latin lines.
“If necessary, to prop up the system, you would say that the Roman Catholic Church was in Britain in 300 B.C.”
Well I daresay that’s rather a strawman. All I have simply argued is that Christianity was present in Britain prior to the establishment of Catholicism (the term used by Theodosius, btw) Which, if you know anything about the period in question isn’t a stretch, because that is the area of the Empire which Constantine’s father governed. Catholicism was quite prevalent in Britain in the 3rd and 4th century AD. Those that were Christians considered themselves to be Romans first and foremost, to the point of importing Roman culture into Britain.
But then you already knew all this.
“We already realize that you absolutely must revise all history to prop up the false notion that Jesus was creating a papacy in Matthew 16, and that a church as you want to believe exists there, actually exists there.”
All the historical evidence we have shows that the Bishop of Rome was founded with St. Peter and that the office of the Pope has gradually came to greater understanding over time. Rome has always been prominent, even in the earliest times, as evidenced by Paul’s own letter to the church in Rome. Given as it was the centre of the Empire, it would hardly make sense that the bishop of Rome would not have similar authority over the Church.
That being said, what we see in Matthew is that Peter is given Primacy over the other Apostles, and that the Apostles as a whole are given the power to bind and loose, to forgive sins. We are also told that Christ is building His Church for which the Apostles will be the head, and that their mission is to preach the Gospel to all nations.
You cannot handwave Matthew for the parts which are inconvenient to your theology.
“We are not concerned what they CALLED themselves.”
You are not. I am. That’s the point I’m trying to drive home to you. You may not care what they called themselves, but I do. Call them munchkin fairy queens if you want, that has equivalent veracity to calling the early church ‘Biblicists’, when they possessed neither a canon nor a bible as we understand it today.
“only what the Vatican says is truth”
A piss poor argument to direct at a convert.
“We write firmly so that others will realize that the whole world need not succumb to the same mental traps.”
Doesn’t matter what you write, or how hard you try to drive it home when the chisel slips, and you crack your own rock. There is simply no evidence besides wishful revisionism for the scenario you set out. Write a book for the fiction section, I’m sure you’ll garner an audience.
Well, just who/what do you think a "Church" is??? The church is the called-out assembly of the members of the body of Christ. In other words, it is us - those who have trusted in Jesus Christ as Savior. I was not implying that the assembling of ourselves together for fellowship, teaching, sharing, worshiping has no place, on the contrary, we are even told to not forsake it.
My point was that we are all responsible for knowing what God has spoken to us in his word. When Peter said some of Paul's writings were hard to understand (II Peter 3:16) he added that it was hard for those who were "unlearned" and "unstable" that wrestled with their meaning. So, we should be sure we do not stay unlearned, but by the power of the Holy Spirit within us along with fellowship and study with other Christians, we can learn the meanings of Scripture - the things of God.
NO DOUBT! GOODNESS!
CONGRATS TO THEM.
Really? You find Latin dull?
Interesting ...you responded exactly as I knew you would...rather than giving the greatest Honor to God as Mary indeed did...you brought the conversation back to Mary herslef...thus point taken that no matter who speaks highly of God...catholics, as yourself, have a need for “others” which brings questions to mind on why the need for these. If ones relationship with the Lord is close and tightknit as He desires....why go to others?....If He says He is our mediater...and He is all powerful and everything has been given to Him..then why the need for more? Is not Christ in all His glory enough to meet your needs? Is His Holy Spirit to weak to fulfill Gods bidding on our behalf?
I’m holding you to the same standard I held myself.
Be it deception, or not, it would be wise for you to at least attempt to understand what is being presented to you.
I trust that Silverlings
knew/knows that the only fitting thing to do with idols
is to hammer them to pieces/ burn them to ashes/ pulverize them or otherwise utterly destroy them—praying spiritual warfare prayers in the process.
One would not want to be responsible before God for transferring such hideousness and their demonic attachments to some other mortal.
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