Posted on 12/17/2010 7:31:07 AM PST by marshmallow
However, it's just not true.
I hate the horrific idolatries, blasphemies, heresies, tyrannical arrogant structure and operations . . . etc. of the RCC. I don't hate 100% of everything about it.
I have met some wonderful RC Christians still in the RCC. They are proportionally very few in number, however,
The Ferraro book came from some FR thread. RC's claimed it was all a farce, an unfair, inaccurate claim--that there was no such book saying such horrible untruths about RC's and RC beliefs.
So, I decided to get the book and see for myself. It was worse than I ever imagined.
WORSE, WE HAVE SEEN SIMILAR ATTITUDES AND BELIEFS DEFENDED 24/7/365 ON FR FOR MORE THAN 10 YEARS.
NO INSTITUTION SAVES.
Scripture makes clear that Mary has no follow-on role any where in any way described by the RCC hierarchy.
NONE of the credible Heavenly visitations have described Mary in any Heavenly role described in the RCC dogma. Only a few have mentioned her at all. They ALL have described her teaching aborted babies in Heaven, the ways of God--as do angels and other graduated Christians.
Essentially, she's evidently an also ran Heavenly kindergarten teacher.
That's it.
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JESUS THE CHRIST SAID IN GOD'S WORD:
That of those
born of a woman
JOHN THE BAPTIST
WAS THE GREATEST ON EARTH.
Jesus’ Mother and Brothers
46While he was still speaking to the people, behold,(BR) his mother and his(BS) brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him.[a] 48But he replied to the man who told him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" 49And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers! 50For(BT) whoever(BU) does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother." ESV
Obedience Is Thicker than Blood 46-47While he was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers showed up. They were outside trying to get a message to him. Someone told Jesus, "Your mother and brothers are out here, wanting to speak with you." 48-50Jesus didn't respond directly, but said, "Who do you think my mother and brothers are?" He then stretched out his hand toward his disciples. "Look closely. These are my mother and brothers. Obedience is thicker than blood. The person who obeys my heavenly Father's will is my brother and sister and mother." THE MESSAGE
The True Family of Jesus 46 As Jesus was speaking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him. 47 Someone told Jesus, “Your mother and your brothers are outside, and they want to speak to you.”[g] 48 Jesus asked, “Who is my mother? Who are my brothers?” 49 Then he pointed to his disciples and said, “Look, these are my mother and brothers. 50 Anyone who does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother!”--NEW LIVING TRANSLATION
. . . obviously, other than Christ Himself . . .
I guess y'all think Mary was hatched under a sacred rock--in Rome?
INDEED:
Excellent post Dr. E. As an aside, I think the whole idea of praying to the saints rather than directly to the Father as commanded by Christ is blasphemous in that it seems that the Catholic attitude toasted God is that somehow God is just too busy to hear our prayers, or that if only a more holy person than ourselves could mediate between us and God that this would be more effective in getting our prayers heard than if we ask Jesus to be our mediator. The whole thing diminishes the Glory and power of God. Frankly I believe that it was designed to do just that. Catholic theology exalts man and debases God. That is the bottom line.
NOPE.
Holy Spirit inspired faith in Christ was and is the foundation of Christ’s church of all believers in His Salvation, Blood, Redemption, Resurrection life.
BRAZENLY WRONG RC ASSERTIONS YET AGAIN.
These Ipod's automatically correct your misspellings. I don't know what I typed, but it wasn't "t o a s t e d". It was supposed to say "t o w a r d".
Cest la vie.
My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.
Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen
Scripture text: Revised Standard Version - Catholic Edition
Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.
Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.
Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.
Amen.
That would certainly be a reasonable conclusion. Either they do not read the Bible or they do not understand the Bible.
Either way, they need to pray God (alone) will remedy their blindness.
...I think the whole idea of praying to the saints rather than directly to the Father as commanded by Christ is blasphemous ...Really? So if I ask you to pray for me (please do!), I am blaspheming?
P-Marlowe wrote:
...it seems that the Catholic attitude toasted {sic} God is that somehow God is just too busy to hear our prayers...Again, really? If I ask you to pray for me again (and I do!), is that because I think God is too busy to hear my prayers?
P-Marlowe wrote:
...or that if only a more holy person than ourselves could mediate between us and God that this would be more effective in getting our prayers heard than if we ask Jesus to be our mediator. ...Wow, again, really? So if I ask you to pray for me (and again, I do!), does that mean I think you are more Holy than I or that I think Our Lord Jesus Christ is somehow NOT the Way, the Truth and the Light?
P-Marlowe wrote:
The whole thing diminishes the Glory and power of God.
What "whole thing"? Asking others to pray for us? Or is there more about Catholic Worship that bothers you to the point you condemn us? P-Marlowe wrote:
Frankly I believe that it was designed to do just that. Catholic theology exalts man and debases God. That is the bottom line.Aha! It is everything that Catholic's believe, is that what you are claiming?
My soul magnifies the Lord, And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior. For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden, For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation. He has shown strength with His arm: He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts. He has put down the mighty from their thrones, and exalted those of low degree. He has filled the hungry with good things; and the rich He has sent empty away. He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy; As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever. Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum, et exsultávit spíritus meus in Deo salvatóre meo, quia respéxit humilitátem ancíllæ suæ. Ecce enim ex hoc beátam me dicent omnes generatiónes, quia fecit mihi magna, qui potens est, et sanctum nomen eius, et misericórdia eius in progénies et progénies timéntibus eum. Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo, dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui; depósuit poténtes de sede et exaltávit húmiles. Esuriéntes implévit bonis et dívites dimísit inánes. Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum, recordátus misericórdiæ, sicut locútus est ad patres nostros, Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula. Glória Patri et Fílio et Spirítui Sancto. Sicut erat in princípio, et nunc et semper, et in sæcula sæculórum. Amen.Wow, so you claim that the "bottom line" is that the theology of the entire Universal Church, extant since the Day of Pentecost "exalts man and debases God". Just wow. And with such clearly flawed reasoning. Do please pray for me and all of us debased (your implication) Catholics, as I assure you, we pray for you.
That of those
born of a woman
JOHN THE BAPTIST
WAS THE GREATEST ON EARTH.
Jesus’ Mother and Brothers
46While he was still speaking to the people, behold,(BR) his mother and his(BS) brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him.[a] 48But he replied to the man who told him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" 49And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers! 50For(BT) whoever(BU) does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother." ESV
Obedience Is Thicker than Blood 46-47While he was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers showed up. They were outside trying to get a message to him. Someone told Jesus, "Your mother and brothers are out here, wanting to speak with you." 48-50Jesus didn't respond directly, but said, "Who do you think my mother and brothers are?" He then stretched out his hand toward his disciples. "Look closely. These are my mother and brothers. Obedience is thicker than blood. The person who obeys my heavenly Father's will is my brother and sister and mother." THE MESSAGE
The True Family of Jesus 46 As Jesus was speaking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him. 47 Someone told Jesus, “Your mother and your brothers are outside, and they want to speak to you.”[g] 48 Jesus asked, “Who is my mother? Who are my brothers?” 49 Then he pointed to his disciples and said, “Look, these are my mother and brothers. 50 Anyone who does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother!”--NEW LIVING TRANSLATION
. . . obviously, other than Christ Himself . . .
I guess y'all think Mary was hatched under a sacred rock--in Rome?
Father in heaven,
all creation rightly gives you praise,
for all life and all holiness come from you.
In the plan of your wisdom
she who bore the Christ in her womb
was raised body and soul in glory to be with him in heaven.
May we follow her example in reflecting your holiness
and join in her hymn of endless love and praise.
We ask this through Christ our Lord.
Amen.
INDEED.
Though, for some . . . I’m beginning to be skeptical that it’s not understanding.
It’s beginning to feel/appear more like a refusal to take God at His word—a rebellion against God in favor of
idolatrous !!!!TRADITIONS!!!! of man and doctrines of demons.
No I am saying that the "Roman" Catholic Church, in existence since about 600 AD, "exalts man and debases God". The Church of Christ (the invisible Universal Faith) exalts God and only God. That is the church that has been around since Pentecost.
That of those
born of a woman
JOHN THE BAPTIST
WAS THE GREATEST ON EARTH.
Jesus’ Mother and Brothers
46While he was still speaking to the people, behold,(BR) his mother and his(BS) brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him.[a] 48But he replied to the man who told him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" 49And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers! 50For(BT) whoever(BU) does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother." ESV
Obedience Is Thicker than Blood 46-47While he was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers showed up. They were outside trying to get a message to him. Someone told Jesus, "Your mother and brothers are out here, wanting to speak with you." 48-50Jesus didn't respond directly, but said, "Who do you think my mother and brothers are?" He then stretched out his hand toward his disciples. "Look closely. These are my mother and brothers. Obedience is thicker than blood. The person who obeys my heavenly Father's will is my brother and sister and mother." THE MESSAGE
The True Family of Jesus 46 As Jesus was speaking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him. 47 Someone told Jesus, “Your mother and your brothers are outside, and they want to speak to you.”[g] 48 Jesus asked, “Who is my mother? Who are my brothers?” 49 Then he pointed to his disciples and said, “Look, these are my mother and brothers. 50 Anyone who does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother!”--NEW LIVING TRANSLATION
. . . obviously, other than Christ Himself . . .
I guess y'all think Mary was hatched under a sacred rock--in Rome?
O blessed Virgin, Mother of God,
look down in mercy from Heaven,
where thou art enthroned as Queen,
upon me, a miserable sinner,
thine unworthy servant.
Although I know full well my own unworthiness,
yet in order to atone for the offenses that are done to thee
by impious and blasphemous tongues,
from the depths of my heart
I praise and extol thee as the purest,
the fairest, the holiest creature of all God’s handiwork.
I bless thy holy Name,
I praise thine exalted privilege of being truly Mother of God,
ever Virgin, conceived without stain of sin,
Co-Redemptrix of the human race.
I bless the Eternal Father who chose thee
in an especial way for His daughter;
I bless the Word Incarnate who took upon Himself our nature in thy bosom
and so made thee His Mother;
I bless the Holy Spirit who took thee as His bride.
All honor, praise and thanksgiving to the ever-blessed Trinity
who predestined thee and loved thee so exceedingly from all eternity
as to exalt thee above all creatures to the most sublime heights.
O Virgin, holy and merciful,
obtain for all who offend thee the grace of repentance,
and graciously accept this poor act of homage from me thy servant,
obtaining likewise for me from thy Divine Son
the pardon and remission of all my sins.
Amen.
Queen of heaven, rejoice. Alleluia.
For He whom thou didst deserve to bear, Alleluia.
Hath risen as He said, Alleluia.
Pray for us to God, Alleluia.
V. Rejoice and be glad, O Virgin Mary, Alleluia.
R. Because Our Lord is truly risen, Alleluia.
Let us pray
O God,
who by the resurrection of Thy Son,
Our Lord Jesus Christ,
hast vouchsafed to make glad the whole world, great,
we beseech Thee, that,
through the intercession of the Virgin Mary, His Mother,
we may attain the joys of eternal life.
Through the same Christ Our Lord.
Amen.
That of those
born of a woman
JOHN THE BAPTIST
WAS THE GREATEST ON EARTH.
Jesus’ Mother and Brothers
46While he was still speaking to the people, behold,(BR) his mother and his(BS) brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him.[a] 48But he replied to the man who told him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" 49And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers! 50For(BT) whoever(BU) does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother." ESV
Obedience Is Thicker than Blood 46-47While he was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers showed up. They were outside trying to get a message to him. Someone told Jesus, "Your mother and brothers are out here, wanting to speak with you." 48-50Jesus didn't respond directly, but said, "Who do you think my mother and brothers are?" He then stretched out his hand toward his disciples. "Look closely. These are my mother and brothers. Obedience is thicker than blood. The person who obeys my heavenly Father's will is my brother and sister and mother." THE MESSAGE
The True Family of Jesus 46 As Jesus was speaking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him. 47 Someone told Jesus, “Your mother and your brothers are outside, and they want to speak to you.”[g] 48 Jesus asked, “Who is my mother? Who are my brothers?” 49 Then he pointed to his disciples and said, “Look, these are my mother and brothers. 50 Anyone who does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother!”--NEW LIVING TRANSLATION
. . . obviously, other than Christ Himself . . .
I guess y'all think Mary was hatched under a sacred rock--in Rome?
“There can be no doubt that the Virgin Mary is in heaven. How it happened we do not know.”
Martin Luther
O Mary, “full of grace and blessed among women,”
stretch out the hand of your motherly protection,
we ask you, upon us who gather round
your queenly throne as your handmaidens,
obedient to your command
and resolved with your help
to bring to realization in ourselves and our sisters
the ideals of truth and Christian perfection.
Our eyes are fixed on you in admiration, immaculate Virgin;
you who are loved by the Heavenly Father above all others!
O Virgin Spouse of the Holy Spirit!
Tender Mother of Jesus!
Obtain for us from your Divine Son
the grace to reflect your sublime virtues in our conduct,
according to our age and condition of life.
Grant that we may be spotless and pure
in our thoughts and in our behavior;
gentle, affectionate,
and sympathetic companions to our husbands;
to our children solicitous,
vigilant and wise mothers;
prudent administrators of our homes;
exemplary citizens of our dear country;
faithful daughters of the Church,
ever ready to allow ourselves to be guided
by her in thought and deed.
Help us, loving Mother,
to be truly devoted to the duties of our state of life;
help us make our homes true centers
of spiritual life and active charity,
schools where consciences will be rightly formed,
gardens where every virtue will flourish.
Give us your help that in social and political life
we may be patterns of deep faith,
of consistent and gracious Christian practice,
of incorruptible integrity,
and of well-balance judgment
based upon the solid principles of religion.
Bless these our resolutions
which you have inspired us to make
and the trials you have helped us to bear;
may we with your aid come to see
their abundant fruits in time and in eternity.
Amen.
That of those
born of a woman
JOHN THE BAPTIST
WAS THE GREATEST ON EARTH.
Jesus’ Mother and Brothers
46While he was still speaking to the people, behold,(BR) his mother and his(BS) brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him.[a] 48But he replied to the man who told him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" 49And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers! 50For(BT) whoever(BU) does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother." ESV
Obedience Is Thicker than Blood 46-47While he was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers showed up. They were outside trying to get a message to him. Someone told Jesus, "Your mother and brothers are out here, wanting to speak with you." 48-50Jesus didn't respond directly, but said, "Who do you think my mother and brothers are?" He then stretched out his hand toward his disciples. "Look closely. These are my mother and brothers. Obedience is thicker than blood. The person who obeys my heavenly Father's will is my brother and sister and mother." THE MESSAGE
The True Family of Jesus 46 As Jesus was speaking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him. 47 Someone told Jesus, “Your mother and your brothers are outside, and they want to speak to you.”[g] 48 Jesus asked, “Who is my mother? Who are my brothers?” 49 Then he pointed to his disciples and said, “Look, these are my mother and brothers. 50 Anyone who does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother!”--NEW LIVING TRANSLATION
. . . obviously, other than Christ Himself . . .
I guess y'all think Mary was hatched under a sacred rock--in Rome?
No I am saying that the "Roman" Catholic Church, in existence since about 600 AD,..Really? What odd history purports to break the Universal Church apart in the Seventh Century? Where did you learn that odd "fact"? Bob Jones "University"?
Some people think yelling makes them more important. Lovely posts, btw.
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