Because of the Protestant Reformers Beliefs On Mary

Why I Am a Catholic ^ | 12/16/10 | Frank Weathers

[terycarl]

The UMC’s (and other Protestant) position on Israel is greatly troubling to me. It's one reason I haven't been to church for a while.

Well that certainly is a good reason to stay away from church.....some members of my congregation oppose my views on Isreal so I think I'll sleep in this Sunday.....besides Golf is much more fun than listening to some preacher expound on the bible....FORE

[terycarl]

Are Catholics required to believe everything that the Pope says?

in matters of faith and morals, yes...when the Pope speaks ex cathedra, he is protected by God from error....the church was promised that from the beginning

[TASMANIANRED]

Thanks for the link.

Looks worth while to rumage around for other gems.

[WrightWings]

Well, then, do you speak to Mary?

Nope, never have. Never prayed the rosary either.

Does that somehow matter?

[narses]

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[WrightWings]

ohoh.. Is there a Marion feast on November 5, (your tagline) or is that the day we all get together and eat saltcod?

My tagline has nothing to do with Catholicism, but then I'm thinking you knew that already.

I’m confused...

I'm not surprised.

[WrightWings]

You need to read some of the taglines

I have. Contrary to the claim, not all Catholic posters taglines have references to Mary in them. I merely pointed out the error in the claim.

[Cicero]

Just so. Both Luther and Calvin were highly respectful of the Virgin Mary.

Luther accorded her every Catholic title that was common in his day, with the sole exception of “Queen of Heaven.”

The disrespect shown by many Protestants for the Mother of Jesus was a later development. And it is not compatible with numerous passages in the Bible.

I became aware of this when a friend of mine investigated the puzzling (to many) question as to why the Puritan John Milton also speaks so respectfully about Mary in his poems. Indeed, in Paradise Regained, he treats her far more respectfully than he treats the Apostles.

[rwilson99]

Celebrating Christmas on December 25th... not biblical by the same standard.

[rwilson99]

Using your standards for Marian veneration...

Wouldn’t it be heresy to celebrate Christmas on December 25th?

After all the date is not contained in scripture.

[CynicalBear]

>> the Catholics would still rule the roost......they wrote and interpreted the scriptures.....get it now??<<

The Catholic Church as you understand it did NOT write the Scriptures. Lets look at who really did write the books of the Bible.

Old Testament Books

Genesis – 1688BC Moses
Exodus – 1600BC Moses
Leviticus – 1686BC Moses
Numbers – Moses just before entering Canaan
Deuteronomy – 1645 Moses
Joshua – 1646-1616 Joshua with perhaps help of Eleazar, Phinehas, and Samuel
Judges – 1126BC Samuel most likely but maybe Isaiah
Ruth – 1163-1123BC probably Samuel
1-2 Samuel 1204-1035 Samuel, David, Nathan, and Gad, compiled by Isaiah in 743-683BC
1-2 Kings – 1046-616 by Scribes under individual Kings, compiled probably by Isaiah and Jeremiah
1-2 Chronicles – 1279-461BC by Scribes and compiled by Isaiah and Ezra
Nehemiah – 44-430BC either Nehemiah or Ezra
Esther – 516-506BC Ezra the Scribe
Job – 1843-1703 probably by Job and Moses
Psalms – 1500-450BC by the 100 with proven authors 50 without compiled by Ezra
Proverbs – 1000BC Hezekiah but last 2 chapters by unknown man and woman but probably added by Hezekiah
Ecclesiastes – 1000BC Solomon
Song of Solomon – 1000BC Solomon
Isaiah – 792-722BS Isaiah
Jeremiah – 685-616BC Jeremiah
Lamentations – 616BC Jeremiah
Ezekiel – 622-600BC Ezekiel
Daniel – 606-536BC Daniel
Hoea – 781-711BC Hosea the prophet
Joel – 795-755BC Joel the prophet
Amos – 824-810BC Amos the prophet
Obadiah – 899-795BC Obadiah the prophet
Jonah – 853-824BC Jonah
Micah – 772-722BC Micah the prophet
Nahum – 786-787BC Nahum the prophet
Habakkuk – 679-648BC Habakkuk the prophet
Zephaniah – 679-648BC Zephaniah the prophet
Haggai – 557-525BC Haggai
Zechariah – 557-525BC Zechariah
Malachi – 557-525BC Malachi the prophet

New Testament Books

Matthew – 37AD written by Matthew, called Levi, son of Alphaeus and brother of James
Mark – 57-63AD written by John Mark
Luke – 58-63AD written by Luke
John – 90AD written by John
Luke - 63AD written by Luke, the beloved physician
Romans – 58-60AD the 6th of Pauls letters written in Crinth and sent to Rome by Phebe
1 Corinthians – 59AD written by Paul at Ephesus
2 Corinthians – 60AD written by Paul
Galatians – 69AD written by Paul
Ephesians – 64AD written by Paul
Philippians – 64AD written by Paul
Colossians – 64AD written by Paul
1 Thessalonians – 54AD written by Paul
2 Thessalonians – 54-55AD written by Paul
1Timothy – 67AD written by Paul
2 Timothy – 68AD written by Paul
Titus – 67AD written by Paul
Philemon – 64AD written by Paul
Hebrews – 68AD written by Paul
James – 45AD written by James the brother of Jesus
1Peter – 60AD written by Peter
2 Peter – 61-65AD written by Peter
1-3 John – 90AD written by John the Apostle
Jude – 66AD written by Jude
Revelation – 96AD written by John the Apostle

[CynicalBear]

>>God is still her savior, but she could have received salvation at any moment of her life.....God is always our savior.....always<<

If Mary was sinless why would she need Salvation? Salvation from what?

[Iscool]

Purgatory cleanses us of our sins, but it does not save. Only those who are already saved will go to purgatory.

That goes against every thing that your priests and bishops teach; that you won't know if you go to heaven until you meet Jesus face to face, at the final judgment...

So which one is it??? Do you know you are saved, right now, but you will have to be purified??? Or is it a mystery until you pass or fail at the final judgment???

The only fires a person will come in contact with are the fires of the pit of Hell...I'd say your religion is conditioning you to go to Hell and convincing you that it's a good place to go...

Not a single Christian will feel a flame...Only his past bad works will touch the fire...

If you are looking forward to getting burnt, you really need to search out God's word to find out the truth...

[Iscool]

Without Nicea and the Church there would be nothing but those who resemble Mormons and Unitarians.

Your religion already resembles the Mormon religion...

Why does copy and paste from your Catholic sites always include Greek and Latin words??? Is this to make the author more authoritative or somehow seem to add weight to the philosophy???

[BenKenobi]

“That goes against every thing that your priests and bishops teach; that you won’t know if you go to heaven until you meet Jesus face to face, at the final judgment.”

Purgatory happens after we meet Jesus face to face at the final Judgment.

“Not a single Christian will feel a flame”

Corinthians explicitly says that those who’s works do not bear the test will escape through the flames. Every Christian will face this test. Some will pass and some will fail.

[Iscool]

No, otherwise those who were born before Mary could not be saved. Yet the Catholic church teaches that Moses and Elijah are among the elect.

Have read (and posted) many times where your religion claims you must go thru Mary to receive salvation...

What's up with that???

[BenKenobi]

Christ saved her from sinning. Christ is her Saviour.

[boatbums]

Absolutely! The “Church Fathers” did not invent the doctrine of the trinity but some clearly sought to explain it in terms that people could accept yet still admit that the totality of the whole idea was not fully comprehensible to the human mind. What I find interesting is that several early theologians, as well as many today, did not agree with the doctrine and were declared as heretics. Even some so-called Christian religions today that deny the Scriptural doctrine of the trinity and the unity of the true God in three persons are also off in many other basic tenets of the Christian faith. There can be no denying that the Bible is our source for the truths of the faith and that even most of the early fathers admitted.

[HossB86]

Why wouldn’t it be odd? Well, if Mary had been born without sin, she would not have needed a savior, particularly when the claim is made that she remained without sin. So, logically:

If Mary is sinless, why the need to be saved from sin?

If Mary is a sinner, needing a savior, then she was a sinner.

See my earlier posting referencing Luke where SHE STATES that Jesus is/will be HER savior.

Can’t have it both ways.

Hoss

[BenKenobi]

“The article represents the historical view of people ignorant of, or revisionist of, peoples who came through history from Byzantania”

You mean the Roman Empire. Y’know the same place that hosted the Councils of Constantinople, Nicaea, Ephesus, etc.

“the Caucuses”

You mean Armenia, the first Christian nation? Since about 400AD.

“Eastern Europe”

You mean the Serbians, Romanians, Greeks? All Romans.

“the Alps”

Romans.

“northern Europe”

Romans again.

“British Isles”

Also Roman. All of these places were, for most of their history, with the possible exception of Armenia, both Roman and Catholic. The division of the Faith into West and East, did not exist in the beginning.

‘Biblicist never connected with Rome’

Horsehockey.

“There were Christians who had never heard of such a thing as a pope (there was NO pope until the 4th century”)

According to whom? You? There were Popes from St. Peter onwards.

“Biblicist Christians from the first century”

If by Biblicist you mean Catholic, then Yes, this is true.