Posted on 12/17/2010 7:31:07 AM PST by marshmallow
That's because Catholics have been brainwashed into what the RCC says to them that it means and, as in almost every other situation of words, has changed the meaning.
Because Catholics have been so brainwashed and indoctrinated in that rationalization, they fail to see what it REALLY says, in plain, unadulterated, non-redefined English.
When Catholics see the term *mother of God* they immediately think of what they are preconditioned to think the term means. They seem so be singularly incapable of reading it AS IS, like the rest of the human race.
Deliberately using a term which can be so easily misunderstood is foolish as best and deceitful at worst. But it's pretty par for the course for Catholicism.
Show me the post and then convince me you are not dragging things from post thread to thread in violation of the rules.
That is one of the stupidest analyses I have ever read. A voluntary organization establishes a lexicon for its members that lays down a number of definitions for use by that organization and then the non-members call that brainwashing. Sounds like those outside of that organization have been brainwashed...... four legs good, two legs bad.....
Yawn.
As you've pinged the Religion Moderator 3 times tonight, I would say that you're doing just fine on your own.
Now this bears some examination. You say:
” Mary is His mother, than she is the Mother of God”, But
“Not of the Trinity, of course, or even of the Son from eternity (that would be absurd) but of the Son of God made Man”
Then the “Son from eternity” is NOT the “Son of God made Man”?
When did he cease being so? Cease being “Son from eternity”?
Yawn = YAWN.
Yawn = BORING.
Yawn = REALLY BORING.
I've referred to Joseph as "Jesus' earthly father," and Mary as "Jesus' earthly mother." It tends to annoy the Catholics, but that's not my intention.
Did God, the Creator, precede Mary or did Mary precede God? If Mary preceded God, the Creator, than Genesis is in error.
Is Genesis in error?
hmmmmmm
My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.
Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen
Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.
Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.
Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.
Amen.
She became the Mother of God, in which work so many and such great good things are bestowed on her as pass man’s understanding. For on this there follows all honor, all blessedness, and her unique place in the whole of mankind, among which she has no equal, namely, that she had a child by the Father in heaven, and such a Child . . . Hence men have crowded all her glory into a single word, calling her the Mother of God . . . None can say of her nor announce to her greater things, even though he had as many tongues as the earth possesses flowers and blades of grass: the sky, stars; and the sea, grains of sand. It needs to be pondered in the heart what it means to be the Mother of God.
(Commentary on the Magnificat, 1521; in Luther’s Works, Pelikan et al, vol. 21, 326)
I'll try it again. Mary did not give birth IN ETERNITY to the Second Person of the Trinity. Mary is a creature, and had a beginning in time, just like you and me. The eternal Son of God did not take His Divine nature from Mary.
She did, however, conceive in her womb the Son of God made Man. He is still the eternal Son of God, as well as Man.
I did not say that the “Son from eternity” ceased being so when He became Incarnate in Mary's womb. I merely said that she was not His mother FROM ETERNITY. She became His mother in time. That's a huge distinction.
Actually, the Bible does not refer to Joseph as “Jesus’ earthly father.”
When the angels spoke to Joseph, they said, “Take the child and His mother,” not “Take your wife and child.”
That’s why I said “I refer to...”
Oh, well, I’m Catholic, and I’m not annoyed.
Too nice a night to be annoyed with anyone or anything.
Google “Nestorianism”, “Christological heresies”, and “Mother of God” for a better understanding of this issue.
Because Catholics have been so brainwashed and indoctrinated in that rationalization, they fail to see what it REALLY says, in plain, unadulterated, non-redefined English.
When Catholics see the term *mother of God* they immediately think of what they are preconditioned to think the term means. They seem so be singularly incapable of reading it AS IS, like the rest of the human race.
Deliberately using a term which can be so easily misunderstood is foolish as best and deceitful at worst. But it's pretty par for the course for Catholicism.
Every word worth repeating.
That "pre-conditioning" goes a long way in explaining the bizarre inability to understand simple declarative sentences such as "For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man, Christ Jesus."
Somehow, they see "...and Mary."
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