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To: marshmallow
Firstly, an idea popular in Calvinist thought that God simply overpowers certain chosen souls ("the elect") with "irresistible grace"

Yes, it is a popular idea because the Lord Jesus Christ said it. He used the word "Elect" at least 10 times in the Gospels and of "Irresistible Grace" - have you never seen John 6: 37-65? Where the Lord Jesus Christ said “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them..." and "He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”

Note here it is the Father doing the work, Not the Son.

You must pay attention to the Lord Jesus Christ and not dismiss His Words!

17 posted on 12/17/2010 8:03:10 AM PST by sr4402
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To: sr4402
Where the Lord Jesus Christ said “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them..." and "He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”

No one can come to Jesus unless the Father draws them. It doesn't follow that the Father irresistably compels them to come to Jesus.

20 posted on 12/17/2010 2:21:32 PM PST by Campion
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