Did fellow Mormons cover up officer's baby molestations?

Idaho Statesman ^ | Dec. 12, 2010 | Patrick Orr

[Elsie]

more like the see if the man really wants to know principle.

[Elsie]

 

 OOooohhh; PD!

 

I LIKE this link!

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[Elsie]

 

 PD; I  like this link as well!

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[Paragon Defender]

By the way, your D&C 132 “issue” is one of those easily found “non-issues” I mention.

[Colofornian]

It is rude and inconsiderate of others' time to simply provide general directions when it is easily within your abilities to provide exact instructions.

"Spiritual Mapquest" PD is not.

[magritte]

Yes, they are:

They are protected by Idaho Code 16-1605, a state law modified in 1995 to include language that says a “duly ordained minister of religion, who has been ordained or set apart ... to hear confessions and confidential communications” doesn’t have to report suspected abuse to law enforcement — even if potential victims are in danger.

The phrase “set apart” covers members of the High Council and other lay LDS leaders.

[restornu]

Oh Please

Being called and annoited of the Lord trumps and earthly sheepskin!:)

[SZonian]

"False. God said they were."

That's the claim anyway...

[Godzilla]

Anyway. My statement was 100% correct. Twist things all you want. Corrupt doesn’t mean not Christian. It means corrupt, aka no longer fully correct.

Ah PD, you also forget that it is associated with a complete apostasy. Did you forget that missionary lesson? Please check Gospel Principles p 105, which states that Christianity ceased with the death of the apostles. How can one be a Christian when Christianity has ceased PD. Read what your apostles and prophets said about Christianity in JoD sometime PD. No, your statement does not reflect the orthodox teachings of mormonism PD. Anyone who is an apostate, corrupt, of the church of the devil cannot be remotely called a Christian in the manner you claim to.

Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness.”
I’m damned for not being a mormon.”
You quote one thing, twist it and say another. /sigh So typical.

PD, the only twisting is by you on this point. First you failed to cite my statement fully, you left out "Will everybody be damned, but Mormons? - Hmmmmm, the prophet smith didn't refer to himself as "Christian" but as 'mormon'. Being a Christian is to be damned by smith.

The rest of your babble is just more of the same old propaganda. Nothing new. Not a valid issue in sight. All addressed a thousand times.

Lurkers will note the "rest of this babble" consisted of 1 Nephi where all Christians belong to the church of the devil - the whore of babylon - really a strong definition of mormon views on Christianity eh? As well as more recent teachings by apostle McConkie.

You are a Christian, same as me. Your twistings cannot change that.

No PD, epic fail again. I've documented that orthodox mormon doctrines and teachings consider Christianity not to be "Christian" but of the devil. Therefore you statement "same as me" is not only incorrect, but is intellectually dishonest as well. No twisting is necessary as the objects of our faith are not the same - even as former prophet hinkley stated that your Jesus is different from my Jesus. No PD, just your opinions - no citation of mormon doctrines or teachings of the apostles or prophets to support your claim - just your say so. Please refute your prophets - for they show you to be wrong.

Can one reject all the tenants of the basic tenets of mormonism — that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God, that the bom is true and divinely inspired, that god was once a man who progressed to godhood through keeping the laws and ordinances of the Mormon Church, and that the mormon Church was divinely established — the mormon church would reject such a person’s claim to being a mormon.

Nor can one be called Christian while rejecting all the fundamental doctrines of historic Christianity.

Nice try - epic fail on your part.

[Godzilla]

Seekers of truth

[SZonian]

Verrrryy Interrresssting.

[SZonian]

"Being called and annoited of the Lord trumps and earthly sheepskin!:)"

As with another poster on this thread, it's very easy to claim something like this. It's an entirely different thing to have any substantiation other than a teenage con-boy's word.

Wanna try again?

[restornu]

Tell that to the Lord on Judgment day of what you think of his annoited servant!

[ejonesie22]

No need, God has know Joe Smith is a worthless hack for 150 years...

[ejonesie22]

False. God said they were. This is another non-issue easily addressed at the links provided.

Oh, well, that's different then...

LOL...

(you do realize how so not an argument that is)

[Elsie]

By the way, your D&C 132 “issue” is one of those easily found “non-issues” I mention.

Oh?

PROVE IT!

You appear to KNOW how to cut & paste, so why don't you show any Investigator that you can walk the walk; instead of merely talking the talk?

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    OFFICIAL DECLARATION—1

To Whom It May Concern:

Press dispatches having been sent for political purposes, from Salt Lake City, which have been widely published, to the effect that the Utah Commission, in their recent report to the Secretary of the Interior, allege that plural marriages are still being solemnized and that forty or more such marriages have been contracted in Utah since last June or during the past year, also that in public discourses the leaders of the Church have taught, encouraged and urged the continuance of the practice of polygamy—

I, therefore, as President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, do hereby, in the most solemn manner, declare that these charges are false. We are not teaching polygamy or plural marriage, nor permitting any person to enter into its practice, and I deny that either forty or any other number of plural marriages have during that period been solemnized in our Temples or in any other place in the Territory.

One case has been reported, in which the parties allege that the marriage was performed in the Endowment House, in Salt Lake City, in the Spring of 1889, but I have not been able to learn who performed the ceremony; whatever was done in this matter was without my knowledge. In consequence of this alleged occurrence the Endowment House was, by my instructions, taken down without delay.

Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriages, which laws have been pronounced constitutional by the court of last resort, I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws, and to use my influence with the members of the Church over which I preside to have them do likewise.

There is nothing in my teachings to the Church or in those of my associates, during the time specified, which can be reasonably construed to inculcate or encourage polygamy; and when any Elder of the Church has used language which appeared to convey any such teaching, he has been promptly reproved. And I now publicly declare that my advice to the Latter-day Saints is to refrain from contracting any marriage forbidden by the law of the land.

WILFORD WOODRUFF
President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

 

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President Lorenzo Snow offered the following:

“I move that, recognizing Wilford Woodruff as the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and the only man on the earth at the present time who holds the keys of the sealing ordinances, we consider him fully authorized by virtue of his position to issue the Manifesto which has been read in our hearing, and which is dated September 24th, 1890, and that as a Church in General Conference assembled, we accept his declaration concerning plural marriages as authoritative and binding.”

The vote to sustain the foregoing motion was unanimous.

Salt Lake City, Utah, October 6, 1890.

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EXCERPTS FROM THREE ADDRESSES BY
PRESIDENT WILFORD WOODRUFF
REGARDING THE MANIFESTO

The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the programme. It is not in the mind of God. If I were to attempt that, the Lord would remove me out of my place, and so He will any other man who attempts to lead the children of men astray from the oracles of God and from their duty. (Sixty-first Semiannual General Conference of the Church, Monday, October 6, 1890, Salt Lake City, Utah. Reported in Deseret Evening News, October 11, 1890, p. 2.)

It matters not who lives or who dies, or who is called to lead this Church, they have got to lead it by the inspiration of Almighty God. If they do not do it that way, they cannot do it at all. . . .

I have had some revelations of late, and very important ones to me, and I will tell you what the Lord has said to me. Let me bring your minds to what is termed the manifesto. . . .

The Lord has told me to ask the Latter-day Saints a question, and He also told me that if they would listen to what I said to them and answer the question put to them, by the Spirit and power of God, they would all answer alike, and they would all believe alike with regard to this matter.

The question is this: Which is the wisest course for the Latter-day Saints to pursue—to continue to attempt to practice plural marriage, with the laws of the nation against it and the opposition of sixty millions of people, and at the cost of the confiscation and loss of all the Temples, and the stopping of all the ordinances therein, both for the living and the dead, and the imprisonment of the First Presidency and Twelve and the heads of families in the Church, and the confiscation of personal property of the people (all of which of themselves would stop the practice); or, after doing and suffering what we have through our adherence to this principle to cease the practice and submit to the law, and through doing so leave the Prophets, Apostles and fathers at home, so that they can instruct the people and attend to the duties of the Church, and also leave the Temples in the hands of the Saints, so that they can attend to the ordinances of the Gospel, both for the living and the dead?

The Lord showed me by vision and revelation exactly what would take place if we did not stop this practice. If we had not stopped it, you would have had no use for . . . any of the men in this temple at Logan; for all ordinances would be stopped throughout the land of Zion. Confusion would reign throughout Israel, and many men would be made prisoners. This trouble would have come upon the whole Church, and we should have been compelled to stop the practice. Now, the question is, whether it should be stopped in this manner, or in the way the Lord has manifested to us, and leave our Prophets and Apostles and fathers free men, and the temples in the hands of the people, so that the dead may be redeemed. A large number has already been delivered from the prison house in the spirit world by this people, and shall the work go on or stop? This is the question I lay before the Latter-day Saints. You have to judge for yourselves. I want you to answer it for yourselves. I shall not answer it; but I say to you that that is exactly the condition we as a people would have been in had we not taken the course we have.

. . . I saw exactly what would come to pass if there was not something done. I have had this spirit upon me for a long time. But I want to say this: I should have let all the temples go out of our hands; I should have gone to prison myself, and let every other man go there, had not the God of heaven commanded me to do what I did do; and when the hour came that I was commanded to do that, it was all clear to me. I went before the Lord, and I wrote what the Lord told me to write. . . .

I leave this with you, for you to contemplate and consider. The Lord is at work with us.

(Cache Stake Conference, Logan, Utah, Sunday, November 1, 1891. Reported in Deseret Weekly, November 14, 1891.)

 

 

 

Now I will tell you what was manifested to me and what the Son of God performed in this thing. . . . All these things would have come to pass, as God Almighty lives, had not that Manifesto been given. Therefore, the Son of God felt disposed to have that thing presented to the Church and to the world for purposes in his own mind. The Lord had decreed the establishment of Zion. He had decreed the finishing of this temple. He had decreed that the salvation of the living and the dead should be given in these valleys of the mountains. And Almighty God decreed that the Devil should not thwart it. If you can understand that, that is a key to it.

 

(From a discourse at the sixth session of the dedication of the Salt Lake Temple, April 1893. Typescript of Dedicatory Services, Archives, Church Historical Department, Salt Lake City, Utah.)

 

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What kind of  'Leadership' is THIS???

 

compared to...

 

 

 

 

Hebrews 11:35-40
 35.  Others were tortured and refused to be released, so that they might gain a better resurrection.
 36.  Some faced jeers and flogging, while still others were chained and put in prison.
 37.  They were stoned ; they were sawed in two; they were put to death by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated--
 38.  the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, and in caves and holes in the ground. 
 

 

or compared to...

 

Acts 4:19.  But Peter and John replied, "Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God's sight to obey you rather than God.

 

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So much for an 'Everlasting Covenant' that thundered out of Heaven!!!

 

Well; it DID last about 47 years!

 

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Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriage...

I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws..."

~ Wilford Woodruff, 4th LDS President

 

[Elsie]

The phrase “set apart” covers members of the High Council and other lay LDS leaders.

Is an ELDER considered to be a lay LEADER?

How about a MISSIONARY?

[Elsie]

Being called and annoited of the Lord trumps and earthly sheepskin!:)

Is THIS your final answer for EVERYTHING??

[Elsie]

Please check Gospel Principles p 105, which states that Christianity ceased with the death of the apostles.

I don't know that we teach that...

http://latterdaycommentary.blogspot.com/2008/04/i-dont-know-that-we-teach-it.html

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[Elsie]

Tell that to the Lord on Judgment day of what you think of his annoited servant!

Hey LORD!

That JOSEPH SMITH sure fits the description of a FALSE PROPHET perfectly!

Thanks for recording it in Your WORD so that folks have NO excuse!