Posted on 12/11/2010 11:46:45 AM PST by delacoert
In our conversations with Mormons we are bound to test what they believe about key issues and how they stand on things we might have heard about Mormonism. It pays to know that it is easy for a Mormon, on the pretext of giving you “milk before meat”, or simply because they don’t know their own faith very well, to be disingenuous in their answers. Here are a few typical “answers” on key subjects: “We believe in the same God as you. ‘We believe in God the eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost’(Mormon First Article of Faith)” “Of course we trust and believe in the Bible” This, again, is a disingenuous answer. The Eighth Article of faith of Mormonism declares: “We are Christians and respect other Christian denominations. We would never attack other churches as some attack us.” The Book of Mormon however declares: “All their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: ‘the draw near with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.’” (Joseph Smith History, 1:19) It seems Mormonism “doesn’t play well with others” despite their protestations to the contrary. “Of course Mormons aren’t polygamists. We renounced polygamy in the nineteenth century and those who practice it today have nothing to do with us.” It seems that the polygamist groups currently denounced and disowned by SLC Mormons are just keeping the practice warm for the day when all Mormons return to the principle. Meanwhile it is not uncommon for a SLC Mormon male to be “sealed” to more than one wife in the next life while practicing monogamy in this. It does seem less than honest to deny liability when the very texts that teach polygamy still form an integral part of Mormon “Scripture”. There is a curious irony in the fact that the familiar SLC Mormons have much in common with breakaway polygamist groups and yet they deny any family connections, instead trying at every turn to associate with the Evangelical Christian Church, with which Mormons have nothing in common. GOD
Although it has the appearance of a Trinitarian confession this does not come close to what Mormons believe about God. Joseph Smith, the founding prophet of Mormonism, said:
"God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man…It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the Character of God…and that he was once a man like us…and you have got to learn to be Gods yourselves…the same as all Gods before you." (King Follett Discourse) THE BIBLE
"We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God"
The Bible is the only book of Scripture in Mormonism that is regarded as unreliable and its content is only respected so far as it appears to confirm the Mormon message. The message of Mormonism, such as their teaching on the nature of God, is brought to the Bible and if the Bible does not agree then it is the Bible that is considered wanting. While the Book of Mormon is considered the book of the restoration the Bible is regarded as the book of the apostasy. OTHER CHURCHES
"Behold, there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great and abominable church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth" (1 Nephi 14:10)
There doesn’t appear to be any room for “other denominations” here and it might be worthwhile asking a Mormon which church they think you belong to. Certainly, anyone who has studied Mormonism knows that it is founded on harsh and uncompromising attacks on other churches. In his official history Joseph Smith uncompromisingly declared that God said of other churches: POLYGAMY
Two things worthy of note:
1. Polygamy is still an integral part of Mormon Scripture. Mormons might argue that the practice of circumcision is part of Christian Scripture but is no longer practised. This is comparing apples and oranges because circumcision was a mark of the Old Covenant, which was superseded by baptism under the New Covenant in Jesus Christ. Polygamy, however, is taught as an eternal principle and regarded as the order of heaven. It is described as the “new and everlasting covenant”:
"And again, verily, I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant…they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation. Then shall they be gods." (D&C 132)
The reference to Mormons becoming gods by the “new and everlasting covenant” is instructive in light of what we have already seen of the teaching that men become gods. While the familiar Salt Lake City Mormons do not currently practise polygamy, it seems it will be reinstated, if not in this life then in glory.
May I point out that most Christian believers 'know' that Jesus had blonde hair and blue eyes.
Christian believers have a lot of 'made up stuff' in their 'religions' as well.
Those details are not what's important anyway. It's the CONCEPTS put forth that GOD is trying to 'reveal' to us.
As far as the notion of Kolob, again these are only ways that a different religion explains the unexplainable.
The Christian 'view' of heaven is merely what someone still on the material plane believes that spiritual existence is like.
While fanciful and pretty, it's not 'the truth'. We can't yet 'understand' the truth.
Perhaps not but heads are going to explode around here when (not if) he endorses Romney.
I believe God knows the hearts of all, be they Mormon or Catholic or Protestant.
As for condemning other churches, etc., Jesus said something about those not with us being against us. I think only God and His angels are qualified to separate the wheat from the tares, no?
I believe if someone is sincerely seeking, God is able to bring them to Himself and does. I have no idea how God feels about the Christ that Mormons teach about, but I remember the widow who put her last two mites into the Temple that crucified Christ, and Jesus applauded her.
God knows the heart, whether we’re being deceived or misled, God knows our hearts.
So tell me what is it about the Jesus Christ of the Mormon church that would cost a Mormon their salvation? Do they believe He died and rose again and paid for our sins? Yes or no?
Because that’s the Jesus that I know and the Bible writes of. And if someone is confused about who His brother is (I think they think Satan is?) does that change what Christ did?
If leaders of any church mislead others, he will be dealt with. But the flock that puts their trust in Christ, puts their trust in Christ.
As far as I know the rest are just details.
(except for the universalist unitarian church, anyone who goes there HAS to be putting their hands over their eyes and know that they are)
I saw that on your home page. You have a very nice and extensive home page. I distrust posters who won’t even make one. I didn’t get time to read that particular link, as it took me forever just to get through the rest of the page.
Post 11 seemed to be a nice, concise explanation, and I accepted it as a very reasonable and honest response.
(Thanks NOREDTAPE)
Unless you object to that explanation.
((((UCanSee2)))) nice testimony.
That part at the end though, that list, that’s not a manifesto right? It’s what you believe?
Ideas are not equal by simply being held. Sheer numbers do not validate an idea. Ideas should be scrutinized and revealed for what they are - particularly since Mormonism is gaining ground in its political influence.
I googled Jen Shroder last night and one result was your syndicated columns, which was what I was looking for, however, clicking that got me a whitened out result and I had to close the program just to be able to do anything else.
I tried several times with the same result.
Are you kidding me? That pro-abortion progressive? That would be the end of Beck.
There are lots of “nice” people.
Being “nice” doesn’t do anything to save them.
And as you allude, there are different motivations in people as to why they are being “nice”. Some think they are earning their way to salvation. Others realize there’s nothing they can do to earn it, accept it, thank God for providing Christ as the way for ALL to be saved, and try to live a Godly life as best they know how, out of gratitude for what Christ has done for them.
A finite being (humans) cannot pay off their infinite debt (sin against God’s eternal law). All need Christ as Savior.
He said it both ways. Take your pick.
Matthew 12:30 - “Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters."
Luke 9:49-50 - “Master,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we tried to stop him, because he is not one of us.” “Do not stop him,” Jesus said, “for whoever is not against you is for you.”
Great article delacoert, and we see this type of word games all the time here.
Feel the hate or see the truth? Double dog dare you to cite one indisputable hateful thing in the article.
What about me do you find bigoted? and who is Andy Levy and how could you know how to spell what he was saying aloud? Why would you quote him here when he hadn't been mentioned and it didn't pertain to the subject at hand?
So... are you a Mormon?
May I point out that most Christian believers 'know' that Jesus had blonde hair and blue eyes.
Source for that comment? Link? Statistic?
Christian believers have a lot of 'made up stuff' in their 'religions' as well.
Specifics? Sources? Links?
Those details are not what's important anyway. It's the CONCEPTS put forth that GOD is trying to 'reveal' to us.
Specifics? Source?
As far as the notion of Kolob, again these are only ways that a different religion explains the unexplainable.
Source? Link?
The Christian 'view' of heaven is merely what someone still on the material plane believes that spiritual existence is like.
Source? Link? Specifics?
While fanciful and pretty, it's not 'the truth'. We can't yet 'understand' the truth.
Provide YOUR "truth" and let's see if we understand it.
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