[rmlew]

I wasn't talking about Dispensationalists in general. I was talking about the folks at American Vision. And they don't like any Jew who does not convert to their vision of Protestant Christianity.

http://americanvision.org/3640/was-luther-wrong-about-modern-day-israel/comment-page-2/

[streetpreacher]

I’ll have to look more into your claim. I am not a supporter (or detractor) of American Vision. I don’t know if wanting Jews to convert to genuine Christianity = “don’t like any Jew” but I will look at the link you have provided.

Myself, I wish Jews (and other groups) would get past their political correctness of proselytizing = hatred/racism.

[streetpreacher]

Read it. Don’t know what to feel about it. I don’t see a carte blanche defense of Luther’s antisemitic remarks that you do.

Your major contention would be with the Apostle Paul and New Testament teaching rather than simply the folks at American Vision:

“For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God” (Rom. 2:28–29).

“Especially the latter, for perhaps nothing has caused more dissent, prejudice, and name-calling in the modern church than the fixation on prophecy matters, and the future role of a people who have no other avenue of salvation than anyone else. Instead of herding the Jews to “Israel” for Armageddon (how pro-Israel is that?), the premils and dispys should be trying to evangelize and convert them to True Judaism.”

Whether or not you find that distasteful, there’s no doubt that dispy/futurist teaching about Israel is not pretty and far from being “pro-Israel”. Let’s be honest. They believe a whole bunch of you are going to be killed before converting to Christianity.

FWIW, I’m not a reconstructionist. I have one large foot in the historic pre-mill camp but see some merit to preterist arguments. I’m kind of agnostic, exploring on some of these eschatologies... though I find pure dispensationalism to be antinomian heresy (apart from their eschatology).

[streetpreacher]

From the comments section:

“I am surprised you did not mention the excerpt in the Talmud that states that Jesus is being tormented by burning in boiling semen, because excrement was too good for him. Just sickening. I am sorry, I do not remember the exact reference, but I do remember Gary North used that reference in his book, “The Judeo-Christian Tradition”. Jehova Witnesses and Mormons are closer to the kingdom than Jews.”

“Oh yes, and let’s not forget the wonderful Orthodox Jews that openly oppose Zionism. Here is a quick list of the websites I am aware of:
http://www.nkusa.org/
http://www.ijsn.net/
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

It would be an utter contradiction to call these Jews “anti-Semitic.”

[streetpreacher]

Sorry for spamming you:

Another comment from that article:

“Thanks for this article, Mr. McDurmond. I am quite weary of people, ranging from far-left agitators to dispy pastors, playing the “anti-Semitism” card and laying the blame for the crimes of the last century at Luther’s feet. Many Christians have unwittingly picked up the “anti-Semitism” charge in its broadest sense, not realizing that the people who use it the most, i.e., groups like the Anti-Defamation League, see the New Testament as one of the biggest sources of “hatred” against Jews.”

This is in reference to the article that rmlew linked to me here: http://americanvision.org/3640/was-luther-wrong-about-modern-day-israel/