Posted on 12/10/2010 9:41:02 AM PST by topcat54
WRT the immediate context, I made no assumptions. Now, you can try and evade the issues. That’s fine by me. Your issue is with your fellow literalists. It's a rather major disagreement you have on tribulation vs. millennium for the Ezekiel temple. But no doubt you and your friends are being quite literal when you come to your assumptions.
Do you know what you believe, or are you making this up on the fly?
It’s rather clear actually.
1. The world will devolve rather rapidly into a One World System of Government helped by a conglomerate of religions which will become a one world religion.
2. God will draw Russia, Iran, Turkey and other Mid East Countries into an attack on Israel. The next day, Damascus will have been totally destroyed, the dome of the rock Mosque will be also have been destroyed as well as all the troops which attacked Israel. The devastation will almost wipe out all of Islam’s leadership and influence in the world.
3. It will take Israel 7 months to clear and bury the remains of those that attacked and 7 years to completely rid the landscape of debris.
4. At some point during or about this period the believers (true Christians) will be taken up to be with Jesus.
5. A peace treaty will be signed with Israel which will begin the last seven years of the covenant between God and Israel. This period is known as the Tribulation period of Revelation.
6. Christ will return at the end of the seven years and destroy anyone who aligned themselves with the Anti Christ, exile Satan to the bottomless pit and set up a reign on earth which will last 1000 years after which Satan will be released for a short period then will be cast into the fiery pit for eternity.
Mormons get a burning in their bosom too... so I don’t think we should base our theology on “one can feel that just by being there.” I’m just sayin’.
So basically the Jews get a seven-year period of free idolatry and to continue spitting in the face of Christ before being ethnically cleansed by the anti-Christ. Then they get to pray the “sinner’s prayer”.
Dispensationalists claim to be “friends of Israel” but you guys have a bloody future in mind for them.
Ha. That’s funny, because I AM Mormon. I know you meant that derogatory, but nonetheless, Jerusalem is a sacred place for me, having visited it twice. There are many locals that I have felt were solemn and sacred sites. The Rock under the Dome was part of that. There is a cave under the rock too. Not sure of the significance of that, but I think great things will happen there at some future time.
Umm, no I didn’t because I DIDN’T KNOW you were a Mormon... but the fact that you are just proves my point. Yours is a feelings based theology. Glenn Beck is the same way. He bases all of his weird conspiracy theories on what he “feels in his gut”... “We all know it in our gut that something is wrong”... “Something is coming”... etc, not a theology based on reason and certainly not on the 66 books of the Bible ALONE.
So when I read over and over from the bible that the threshing floor on Mariah is the future temple site to be built by the Jews, and having been inside, the spirit whispers truth to me that this is a sacred place, I don't ignore those feelings. I don't know specifics, I just know it's a sacred site.
Good luck to you, and your quest against us Mormons. It doesn't change anything to me.
It certainly explains why Beck is comfortable rubbing shoulders with dispensational end times fanatics like Joel Rosenberg and other mainstream Southern Baptists like Richard Land. They share much of the same hermeneutic... or lack thereof. Scripture is interpreted through the filter of Drudge Report headlines and therefore requires frequent adjustments.
Theological Antizionists (and in the case of this group liars about the Talmud) are cowards. The people have such little faith in Jesus and their Bible that they fear and hate Israel and Jews. Pathetic losers.
As to feelings and the spirit being powerful tools from God on our behalf, I can only say I find the words of Paul helpful.
2 Corinthians 3:3
“Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.”
Perhaps you should start a Beck thread.
>>So basically the Jews get a seven-year period of free idolatry<<
Idolatry? You call the Temple worship of the Old Testament idolatry? Wow!
>>but you guys have a bloody future in mind for them.<<
Russia, Iran, Turkey and other Mid East countries attack Israel, God intervenes and totally destroys those who come against Israel and you claim that is a bloody future for Israel? Huh?
Then all countries aligned with the Anti Christ and God, after protecting the Jews, totally destroys all who aligned took the sign of the Anti Christ and again you think the Jews have a bloody future? Does that all come from the fairy tale book you use?
No, considering Beck has aligned his end-times theology with a mish-mash of Dispensational teachers like that of Joel Rosenberg and the Ezekiel Factor, I’d say it is loads appropriate. I appreciate you trying to dictate the terms of the discussion though. That’s called being a bully and a Pharisee. Did that start at a young age for you?
“Idolatry? You call the Temple worship of the Old Testament idolatry? Wow!”
Umm, no, that’s what I would call an “End Times” temple in lieu of Christ’s sacrifice. Why should one trust your “literalist” hermeneutic when your polemic is so blazingly dishonest as demonstrated above?
You are trying to not only hijack the thread, but turn it around as if that was my intention to “dictate the terms.” If you hate Beck and his methods so much, there a posting button. Have at it.
On the other hand, perhaps you need your own Road to Emmaus moment...
Luke 24:32
“Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?”
But knowing how much you hate heartburn, as you've repeatedly said, perhaps that's not a good idea after all.
;-)
Most Dispensationalists (Christian Zionists), or at least honest ones, envision a mass genocide of Jews. I believe anyone can be saved, Jew or Gentile NOW? How is that demonstrating hatred toward Israel and Jews?
Go back and read the actual WORDS of Christ, Paul and the other New Testament writers to the Jews of their times and to those who rejected Christ Jesus as the true Messiah. I guess they were “self-hating” “anti-semitic” Jews?
BTW, you can still believe in the defense of Israel without sharing in dispensational theology. For you to make it “either/or” and to label those who hold to historic Christian theology rather than a novel doctrine less than 100 years old as racists is a disgusting debate tactic. You use the same race-baiting tactics as the ADL and the NAACP and worse, you do it in the name of G_d.
Whatever. It’s always good to hear the musings of a heretic whose religion was founded by a murdering liar and a sexual deviant (much like another religion), recognized as such by every orthodox Christian creed and denomination, so please continue with your wonderful defense of dispensational theology, of whom they even have the sense not to include you in the Body of Christ.
Don’t sugarcoat it, tell us all how you really feel.
Not that it will matter. I’m through being sucked into this conversation where it was never intended to go. It’s all yours.
>>Umm, no, that’s what I would call an “End Times” temple in lieu of Christ’s sacrifice.<<
God still has 7 years left of the covenant with Israel. His instructions to rebuild the Temple one more time is not idolatry.
Your use of the word polemic is rather telling. You see any understanding of prophecy other then your own as “warlike or hostile” which indicates a fear of your point of view being wrong. I simply equated the future Temple worship as an extension or continuence of the Temple worship of the Old Testament which I see as fulfilling prophecy which will lead to the completion of the 490 years of God’s covenant with Israel. Why you see that as hostile or warlike is idicative of a weak faith in your interpretation.
http://americanvision.org/3640/was-luther-wrong-about-modern-day-israel/comment-page-2/
Actually, your ignorance of the word “polemic” is very telling. Unlike you, I don’t see it as a dirty word.
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