[betty boop]

Quix, what is the core of the contention as you would see it objectively, please, in a sentence or two?

Dear Qiux, what is it about St. Juan Diego's tilma that bothers you? The fact that it (like the Shroud of Turin) is inexplicable according to scientific methods? Or do you simply have an a priori commitment that requires you to say that miracles can't/don't happen?

[marbren]

The shroud is interesting and Mary is not included.