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To: wideawake; topcat54; Lee N. Field; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; RJR_fan
There are no talking donkeys in the Bible, or mysterious writing appearing on walls, or a staff that turns into a snake. You really know your Bible well.

With the resurrection of Jesus Christ, all such miracles have ceased. We don't need any other miracles. We have the empty cross. Roman Catholics are still looking for what has already been given to those with eyes to see.

"Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.

But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." -- Matthew 12:38-40


21 posted on 12/09/2010 6:49:37 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The humble Christians to whom these acts of grace were revealed were not "seeking for a sign" - they were, much to the contrary, surprised by these gratuitous expressions of God's love.

"All such miracles have ceased"

Hardly. His Father is working still.

27 posted on 12/09/2010 7:09:09 PM PST by wideawake
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; wideawake
You could not possibly be more wrong, Dr. Eckleburg.

“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask[a] anything in My name, I will do it. “If you love Me, keep[b] My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.

John 14:12-17

This isn't about sitting around doing nothing while waiting for Jesus to show up. This is about establishing His Kingdom here on earth. The Kingdom of Heaven is within. But don't take my word for it. Read the book of Acts sometime.

52 posted on 12/10/2010 4:01:22 AM PST by Hoodat (Don't touch my junk, Bro !)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

What about Peter and John healing the lame beggar in Acts 3? Paul surviving a poisonous snake bite? Other examples too, all post Resurrection.


55 posted on 12/10/2010 5:11:41 AM PST by WNCer2010
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Well I think there is a difference between the “signs” as mentioned in the Matthew text and miracles that God had wrought thru the apostles at least after Christ returned to heaven and the Holy Spirit was sent. The pharisees sought some overwhelming proof that their world view was incorrect hoping against hope that Jesus was false because the pharisees were so comfortable in their perverse corruption. That is what Jesus was confronting where he declared that only the sign of the resurrection would be given to them.

There certainly have been miracles since Christ went back to heaven even after the times of the apostles but most are not necessarily big and splashy! True, not everyone who gets prayed for gets healed but many Christians can attest to sudden reversals of lab tests or of tumors that have suddenly vanished after being prayed for. Sums of money have appeared, just enough to meet a desperate person’s needs. Souls have been saved. I knew a woman whose heavy alcoholism was just taken from her upon her salvation, with no resultant DT’s. Other substance abusers who became Christians didn’t have all their desires taken from them but had to “twelve step” it, but their’s is ongoing miracle of grace as they carry their crosses for the Lord. Paul didn’t have his thorn taken out of his flesh yet at the same token, God used Paul to perform miracles thru him.

The general sorts of miracles God is doing is a kind of “down here in the trenches, tactical” sort of miracles...every day “day of small things” kind of miracles that often we are dimly aware of at best. Later reflection can bring upon the realization of just what God was doing in “this situation” or “that event” leaving one in a kind of mental...”face palming, self smacking of the head” kind of thankfulness for the grace of God that kept us from flying apart in our darkest moments!


97 posted on 12/07/2011 3:14:33 AM PST by mdmathis6 (Christ came not to make mankind into God but to put God into men!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Although I can't say the thing is not authentic, there is no doubt in my mind that it did not come from God...

The God of Creation allows his mother to glorify herself to the human race while portraying Almighty God as a powerless little baby, who is under the feet of his mother...

Nope, that didn't come from God of the Bible...

And we'll never see them giving this thing up to modern independent laboratories for inspection...

102 posted on 12/07/2011 5:06:11 AM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." -- Matthew 12:38-40

They refuse to believe that but they will believe this tilma nonsense...

104 posted on 12/07/2011 5:10:04 AM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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