Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

To: grey_whiskers; Quix; MHGinTN; betty boop
Thank you so much for your question, dear brother in Christ!

Since so many people on this thread have come across as against the "teachings of men" and "vain janglings"... by what rule or methodology or authority is it proposed to accept the writings within these two sources as (no pun intended) "kosher"...?

Very often in evangelical circles I have run across various teachings and ideas which claim a scriptural warrant, but when one researches the verse, the idea claimed doesn't necessarily follow directly from the verse as claimed.

How does this differ from the "teachings of men" for which the Catholic Church has been criticized on this thread?

First of all, neither Enoch nor Angels on Assignment are Scripture. Because of my interests, I find them illuminating, but I do not insist that others must pay attention to them.

I have always been interested in "near death experiences" - especially those of children. Pastor Buck died shortly after writing Angels on Assignment and I read it as the insights or visions of a spiritual man nearing the end of his mortal life. The book centers on Christ and radiates his love for Him. He quotes many Scriptures throughout.

I was particularly engaged by the drawing of a tesseract by a visiting angel (Pastor Buck was not a math geek but I am.) The picture (which Buck called a picture frame) is shown in chapter 3.

Angels on Assignment

Another of the many beautiful truths God gave me through the mouth of the angel Gabriel was that everything God has promised is already completed as far as God's book in heaven is concerned. This statement was very difficult for me to understand, so Gabriel took a pencil which I held in my hand, and drew a rough sketch of the picture frame. Webmasters Note: Picture below is from the book.

Everything God has promised is completed in this picture. But, he said, "Here is a tiny little spot representing things unclear to you - things not yet complete. You often spend your time looking at these things until the tiny spot expands outward and fills the frame, and totally hides what God has done. If you look to Jesus instead of the problem, you will see the complete picture." In Is. 43:2 the Lord said, "When you go through deep waters and great trouble, I will be with you." If you look at the waters of trouble, it will hide the picture, but if you look to Jesus, that little piece that looks so ominous to you has to shrink back into place and then you will see the whole picture complete with everything that God promised.

The tesseract is the best geometric representation of P.S. Wesson's 5 Dimensions/2 Times theory. Click here for the graphic and introduction to the Space/Time/Matter Consortium.

Like Kaluza/Klein, many geometric physics theories involve the compactification of extra dimensions, e.g. string theories. But Vafa's f-Theory and Wesson's 5D/2T call for additional temporal dimensions. And Wesson's is an expanded model, elegant.

In theories which involve an additional dimension of time, time is not simply an arrow (past>present>future) but can be seen either as a plane or a volume. This means that past, present and future exist concurrently. And it also means that cause>effect can be effect>cause or cause=effect.

I find this interesting because:

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. - Revelation 13:8

According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: - Ephesians 1:4

My interest in Enoch comes from a more general interest in ancient manuscripts. But of all them, Enoch is the most fascinating:

The Book of Enoch (Enoch I) is written for the end times much like Revelation. And like Revelation, it contains a blessing for those who will read it.

The blessing of Enoch; with which he blessed the elect and the righteous who would be present on the day of tribulation at (the time of) the removal of all the ungodly ones. And Enoch, the blessed and righteous man of the Lord, took up (his parable) while his eyes were open and he saw, and said "(This is) a holy vision from the heavens which the angels showed me; and I heard from them everything and I understood. I look not for this generation but for the distant one that is coming. I speak about the elect ones and concerning them. (The Old Testament Pseudepigrapha, Volume I, 1 Enoch)

Also, since Enoch so obviously refers to Christ, it is no wonder the Rabbis rejected it even though it had been in use for many years, e.g. the carbon dating of fragments of copies found in the Dead Sea Scrolls.

The Book of Enoch (also known as 1 Enoch) was once cherished by Jews and Christians alike, this book later fell into disfavor with powerful theologians–precisely because of its controversial statements on the nature and deeds of the fallen angels…

The theme of the Book of Enoch dealing with the nature and deeds of the fallen angels so infuriated the later Church fathers that one, Filastrius, actually condemned it openly as heresy (Filastrius, Liber de Haeresibus, no. 108). Nor did the rabbis deign to give credence to the book’s teaching about angels. Rabbi Simeon ben Jochai in the second century A.D. pronounced a curse upon those who believed it (Delitzsch, p. 223).

So the book was denounced, banned, cursed, no doubt burned and shredded–and last but not least, lost (and conveniently forgotten) for a thousand years. But with an uncanny persistence, the Book of Enoch found its way back into circulation two centuries ago.

In 1773, rumors of a surviving copy of the book drew Scottish explorer James Bruce to distant Ethiopia. True to hearsay, the Book of Enoch had been preserved by the Ethiopic church, which put it right alongside the other books of the Bible…

Though it was once believed to be post-Christian (the similarities to Christian terminology and teaching are striking), recent discoveries of copies of the book among the Dead Sea Scrolls found at Qumran prove that the book was in existence before the time of Jesus Christ. But the date of the original writing upon which the second century B.C. Qumran copies were based is shrouded in obscurity. It is, in a word, old…

There is abundant proof that Christ approved of the Book of Enoch. Over a hundred phrases in the New Testament find precedents in the Book of Enoch.

Another remarkable bit of evidence for the early Christians’ acceptance of the Book of Enoch was for many years buried under the King James Bible’s mistranslation of Luke 9:35, describing the transfiguration of Christ: "And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, ‘This is my beloved Son: hear him." Apparently the translator here wished to make this verse agree with a similar verse in Matthew and Mark. But Luke’s verse in the original Greek reads: "This is my Son, the Elect One (from the Greek ho eklelegmenos, lit., "the elect one"): hear him."

The "Elect One" is a most significant term (found fourteen times) in the Book of Enoch. If the book was indeed known to the apostles of Christ, with its abundant descriptions of the Elect One who should "sit upon the throne of glory" and the Elect One who should "dwell in the midst of them," then the great scriptural authenticity is accorded to the Book of Enoch when the "voice out of the cloud" tells the apostles, "This is my Son, the Elect One"–the one promised in the Book of Enoch.

The Book of Jude tells us in vs. 14 that "Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied…" Jude also, in vs. 15, makes a direct reference to the Book of Enoch (2:1), where he writes, "to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly…" …

Many of the early church fathers also supported the Enochian writings. Justin Martyr ascribed all evil to demons whom he alleged to be the offspring of the angels who fell through lust for women (from the Ibid.)–directly referencing the Enochian writings.

Athenagoras, writing in his work called Legatio in about 170 A.D., regards Enoch as a true prophet. He describes the angels which "violated both their own nature and their office." In his writings, he goes into detail about the nature of fallen angels and the cause of their fall, which comes directly from the Enochian writings.

Many other church fathers: Tatian (110-172); Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyons (115-185); Clement of Alexandria (150-220); Tertullian (160-230); Origen (186-255); Lactantius (260-330); in addition to: Methodius of Philippi, Minucius Felix, Commodianus, and Ambrose of Milanalso–also approved of and supported the Enochian writings…

One by one the arguments against the Book of Enoch fade away. The day may soon arrive when the final complaints about the Book of Enoch’s lack of historicity and "late date" are also silenced by new evidence of the book’s real antiquity.

Introduction

If you are going to study Enoch, I strongly suggest Charlesworth's Pseudepigrapha because it includes many scholarly insights, footnotes, the other two Books of Enoch and has the latest translation.

Charlesworth's collection has many other fascinating manuscripts which were familiar to Jews and early Christians. One of these for instance explains events which preceded God calling Abraham. Another explains why Satan was so upset with Job.

Nothing of them "ring true" in my spirit like Enoch does. And no wonder, Enoch is quoted in Jude and 2 Peter - and appears to be referenced around a hundred times throughout the New Testament.

God's Name is I AM.

178 posted on 12/09/2011 11:01:57 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 168 | View Replies ]


To: Alamo-Girl

Interesting, AG. Thanks for the info.


179 posted on 12/10/2011 1:37:42 AM PST by presently no screen name (If it's not in God's Word, don't pass it off as truth! That's satan's job.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 178 | View Replies ]

To: Alamo-Girl; Amityschild; AngieGal; AnimalLover; Ann de IL; aposiopetic; aragorn; auggy; ...
THANKS TONS, Dear Heart for your excellent commentary on Enoch. Impressive and fascinating.

And, imho, important given these end times and the ET's/fallen angels pretending to be citizens of distant planets working so comprehensively, deceptively and hard to help the globalist oligarchy set up the global satanic government of tyranny mentioned in Revelation and otherwise.

PRAISE GOD FOR HIS FAITHFULNESS in warning us in His Word and with Enoch about the GREAT DECEPTION of the END TIMES--so great THAT WERE IT POSSIBLE, even the very elect would be deceived.

My main desire, other than fostering, encouraging, triggering a Salvation Relationship with Jesus through my poor pontifications--is to wake the Body of Christ up that they be NOT deceived by such forces, personages, efforts.

Of course, satan is not pleased with such an effort and uses many means to discourage such on FR and elsewhere.

THANKS FOR YOUR PRECIOUS UNDERSTANDING AND ENCOURAGEMENTS DEAR ANGEL-GAL.


187 posted on 12/10/2011 9:46:57 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 178 | View Replies ]

To: marbren; Alamo-Girl; Quix
"The Book of Enoch (Enoch I) is written for the end times much like Revelation"

"...lost (and conveniently forgotten) for a thousand years. But with an uncanny persistence, the Book of Enoch found its way back into circulation two centuries ago."

"O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand" (Daniel 12:8-10)

"But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief." (1 Thessalonians 5:4)

I read some of the book of Enoch many years ago and my first impression was that it looked as though someone had taken present day pre-trib escatology and tried to write it up to look like ancient scripture.

Dear FRiends,these times we live in are interesting to say the least.

Maranatha!

203 posted on 12/10/2011 10:14:17 PM PST by mitch5501 (My guitar wants to kill your momma!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 178 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson