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To: lastchance; Dr. Eckleburg; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; Belteshazzar; bkaycee; blue-duncan; ...
No dear heart, salvation is by grace alone. Did you mean justification? Yes Catholics believe we are justified both by faith and by works of love (charity.) Both of which are given impetus by God’s grace. It is the way our will responds to the grace of God. We could not have faith or charity if we did not first receive His sanctifying grace. We do not have these because of our merits but because of His merits. But it has never been taught by the Church that good works save us. Justify us, yes. Save us no.

We are not justified by works either.

Galatians 3:1-14 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? 5Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— just as Abraham "believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness"?

Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "In you shall all the nations be blessed." So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them." Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for "The righteous shall live by faith." 12But the law is not of faith, rather "The one who does them shall live by them." Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree"— so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

2,561 posted on 12/11/2010 5:18:11 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

We are never gonna agree on this point. Mostly because you believe in forensic justification and imputed rightousness. I believe in infused rightousness and that justification is more than a forensic legal accomplishment.

If you are so inclined you might want to look up the term Theosis. Most of what you come across will be by Easten Orthodox writers. But the belief is also valid for Catholics.


2,571 posted on 12/11/2010 5:47:11 PM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: metmom

How could it possibly get any more clear???


2,672 posted on 12/12/2010 5:25:53 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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